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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:41
^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something. Inspiration may be a large part of the story. The excessive amount of material stored on my laptop and my iPhone may also have something to do with that. The delicious material ... it's not right in front of me; I just have to pull up numerous directories and sift through the trivial (which is code for "short, experimental, over-the-top, nonsensical material that doesn't work") tracks, look for hot stuff that I should have brought up on my desktop in the first place.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:30
Yup, the thing that takes the longest for me is actually building up the motivation and willpower to make anything at all. I've got ideas and I write them down, but I can go weeks or months without touching an instrument at all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:22
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

This is a place for songwriters and composers to share their works, advice, criticism, exercises, etc. to hone their skills for whatever they wanna do with their music.
Excellent thread idea. Besides that I was also thinking of starting a thread on help with honing down improvisation skills, but the Web already has a wealth of information on that.

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We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!
Yeah, slow down, dude. Take your time.
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The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively.
Honestly, I don't care for how the engineer mixes the cuts as long as the material itself is solid and is well executed.

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I'm one of three songwriters in a rock band called Rare Goat.  We've been together 9 years, but only got serious about developing original material in the last two years or so.  We're nearly finished recording our first album of all original material.  I'm pretty pumped about it.

20 years ago or so, I also wrote and recorded an 11 song EP by myself under the name of Blasphart.  It was a hardcore punk thing heavily influenced by Dead Kennedys and Saccharine Trust.  I revived  one of those songs for the upcoming Rare Goat album.
I gotta hear it.

In case if you haven't read this before, I'm OK when writing short instrumental pieces for the classical guitar, but when it comes to songwriting, ... yuck. And when it comes to criticism, oh boy, ... . I've written and discarded a slew of crappy songs, which naturally was effortless, and the writing experience was awful.

So far my biggest problem is fighting the laziness, picking up the guitar, and writing songs around some of the tunes I already have, or recording that one song that I've written (though the lyrics need more work). I'm just drained of inspiration.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 22:54
I like the Rare Goat song a lot. There were a lot of interesting elements, and, overall, it was pretty satisfying. I'd have liked a simpler drum approach, though. The other Blasphart song was good too.

ALSO: I should have some King Stevens rehearsal demos to show soon. I'm kind of anxious to get this stuff out there. Me and my brother have written hundreds of songs for the project over a period of three years, but it will be a long time before we're in the financial position to record a full studio album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 20:54
Oh wow, I forgot about that song on ReverbNation. Embarrassed.  glad you liked it though!

Here's an early mix of a new Rare Goat song I did, called "Holocaust Walnut Bowl" 


And I've got this on my Soundcloud too, another Blasphart song from '93 you might like:


I appreciate the interest in my stuff, when I have more time I'd like to comment on the other stuff already posted in this thread earlier today, lots of talented people around here.   I've already heard a good bit of Luna and Smarty's stuff, though I want to hear more.  I'm a fan of Hanashukketsu (Vomps, Alan, Cam) as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 19:00
I really like the Blasphart song on Reverbnation, and Rare Goat does as competent covers as covers can get, but I really want to hear those Rare Goat originals! I suppose I have no room to talk, though. I haven't posted anything yet.

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aww thanks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:33
Rare Goat is bitchin, Blasphart is pretty good, too
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:24
I'm one of three songwriters in a rock band called Rare Goat.  We've been together 9 years, but only got serious about developing original material in the last two years or so.  We're nearly finished recording our first album of all original material.  I'm pretty pumped about it.

20 years ago or so, I also wrote and recorded an 11 song EP by myself under the name of Blasphart.  It was a hardcore punk thing heavily influenced by Dead Kennedys and Saccharine Trust.  I revived  one of those songs for the upcoming Rare Goat album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:28
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

My method for making music is playing stuff until it sounds good, then mixing/remixing/completely destroying it on my computer. If anyone's interested, my music is in my signature.


Some nice stuff you got there, Luna. There's a strong noise/ambient scene on PA. I like that a lot.
Thumbs Up I assume you've also heard Hanashukketsu which colorofmoney91, Vompatti, and I play in.

Though personally, I'm trying to find the right balance between abstract/noise/ambient music, and actual compositions. My goal is to make my music emulate several styles while sounding cohesive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:24
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

You've got a point. But I have been and still am getting much more creative with my mixing. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with a more mono-ish approach to mixing
There's not if you do it intentionally, for a good reason. There is some music that's a lot more enjoyable as a mono mix. I was making this suggestion, however, for your music specifically. If you feel a mono mix would further your music, more power to you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:13
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:13
You've got a point. But I have been and still am getting much more creative with my mixing. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with a more mono-ish approach to mixing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:05
There is a little bit, but not effective stereo mixing, in my opinion. Think "Dogs" by Pink Floyd:



The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:52
There's plenty of stereo mixing on Pet Store
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:51
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!

xD yeah, I have a habit of releasing a lot of stuff. Which was the last one you checked out?


The second one Tongue


Man, that one seems like such a long time ago!
I suggest Going to the Pet Store, Big Foot Business Casual, I Went on Vacation EP, and For my Grandpa


Just listened to some of Pet Store today. I like the general concept of what you do. I think, though, maybe some stereo mixing might help it along quite a bit (to give it more sonic depth), as well as letting the songs have a bit more time to sit. These seem like sketches for something bigger, and I would make those recordings first, listen to them, making notes of where things should go, what things should sound like. Try making some Penderecki-style scores (symbols representing sounds) to put it in a more malleable form. I am no stranger to avant-garde, but the best of it is very focused (aesthetically, not necessarily stylistically) even if it isn't serious. Coltrane, Webern, Cage, Merzbow, the Residents... a lot of them latch on to a particular quality and aim to communicate that quality through their music. There is spontaneity in their music, but there also is revision and refining. Think hard about the product you are creating and be specific. What you do isn't bad at all, it just needs a bit of focus. Just my thoughts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:23
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!

xD yeah, I have a habit of releasing a lot of stuff. Which was the last one you checked out?


The second one Tongue


Man, that one seems like such a long time ago!
I suggest Going to the Pet Store, Big Foot Business Casual, I Went on Vacation EP, and For my Grandpa
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:59
Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:21
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!

xD yeah, I have a habit of releasing a lot of stuff. Which was the last one you checked out?


The second one Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:07
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!

xD yeah, I have a habit of releasing a lot of stuff. Which was the last one you checked out?
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