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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:15
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Gabes music is great. (Irrelevant) :) but not the literal meaning of the word. Gabe you keep making stuff please :) I can't wait to see how you expand.

I am a composer and play in a rock/Prog band.

I have written upwards of 800 pages of sheet music. my band, pseudo/sentai, is currently recording a 250 page album titled bansheeface.

We have 3 full lengths and 2 eps and 2 singles out and it's on prgarchives.

Wanna get real nerdy with it? We are based off Te power rangers.
Cheers Greg! Pseudo/Sentai is worth checking out by anyone! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:02
Gabes music is great. (Irrelevant) :) but not the literal meaning of the word. Gabe you keep making stuff please :) I can't wait to see how you expand.

I am a composer and play in a rock/Prog band.

I have written upwards of 800 pages of sheet music. my band, pseudo/sentai, is currently recording a 250 page album titled bansheeface.

We have 3 full lengths and 2 eps and 2 singles out and it's on prgarchives.

Wanna get real nerdy with it? We are based off Te power rangers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2013 at 06:32
Originally posted by N-sz N-sz wrote:

Irrelevant, I'm listening to your album "Decease Estates" now. You have an interesting style. I can't say too much just yet on first listen, but I'm interested to come back to these long pieces. Really nice guitar tones, both distorted and clean. It's a bit lofi (or maybe it's very lofi--I don't know--my stuff it lofi too), but I like the balance. Everything's very clear between the guitar and bass and the drums aren't too loud (It seems like people like drums LOUD these days, which I'm not a fan of--but that's just me). Well, that's my initial impression. I'll come back to this when I have more time for sure.

Thanks. Big smile
I try to get everything balanced in the mix. I'll check your stuff too. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2013 at 23:32
I have a 36-or-so minute album with four tracks written since last year. I've recorded everything I can play (the guitar, bass, keys, drums), so now I'm hoping I can find people to donate their time to play other instruments. I recorded all the wind, brass, and string parts with an organ, but that's hopefully just temporary because I'd like to get actual violinists/ saxophonists/ flautists/ etc. Getting other people to play on the recording will probably be more difficult than I think. It's mostly instrumental, but I have some vocal parts and no lyrics which is really going to hold me back if I can't figure something out for that.
In the meantime I have a few tiny compositions on my YouTube page (in my signature). I might take some more of those things and do a smaller release at some point too.

Looks like there's a lot of cool stuff to check out here once I get some more time to listen closely.

Irrelevant, I'm listening to your album "Decease Estates" now. You have an interesting style. I can't say too much just yet on first listen, but I'm interested to come back to these long pieces. Really nice guitar tones, both distorted and clean. It's a bit lofi (or maybe it's very lofi--I don't know--my stuff it lofi too), but I like the balance. Everything's very clear between the guitar and bass and the drums aren't too loud (It seems like people like drums LOUD these days, which I'm not a fan of--but that's just me). Well, that's my initial impression. I'll come back to this when I have more time for sure.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2013 at 21:54
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

i meak muzik 2
I haven't delved into your music yet, but I've sampled it. Really interesting stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 16:20
i meak muzik 2 

Also, really looking forward to the upcoming Rare Goat! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 14:18
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Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

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Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?
Try putting a bit more reverb on the drums and taking away some compression. It might sound like a more modern, more electric version of this:




Ah McCoy... One of my heroes

But yeah man, I'll bear that in mind. It's only a demo really though, an EP version of Mosaic should be coming soon at the end of November...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 14:06
When it comes to art and music, I find my creativity is most efficient when I begin more or less at random, just picking a cool song title and a bunch of lyrics that just sound good, never mind what they mean, and as I'm writing, I'll sometimes hear the tune in my head.  After I've gotten it started, I look at it, and think, "this looks like it's a song about ______ ." And then I'll continue from there, with that figure in mind.   It's similar to how I draw (and I'm no sketch artist, don't get me wrong), I'll just doodle a bit, then look at it and say "hey, that looks like a dragon".  And then I'll fill in the bits that don't yet look like a dragon.   It's probably a load of bullsh*t, but this approach has actually has probably yielded the quickest AND the best work I've done.  Any time I begin work with a set topic in mind ("I think I'll write a song about my political views!"  thpppppp)  it nearly always comes off stilted.  MANAGED RANDOMNESS is the way to go for me.

I am not prolific at all when it comes to writing, though.  I could probably do well to practice it more, so maybe some of that random inspiration will become more under my direct control rather than a chance happening.

It also helps that I'm not really aiming at composing anything complex.  I'll usually start with simplicity and then decorate it with weird stuff later.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:42
I have the same problem with lyrics. The habit does start with some kind of discipline, but you can start small. A teacher of mine once told me to compose a measure a day and only a measure a day. Try write three or four notes or sounds or what have you. Don't try to write it all in one sitting. It doesn't even have to be good, either. The important thing is that you're doing it. There are some composers who can't write anything more than a measure or two on any given day. It's okay to be a little bit lazy and work slow or small.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:00
Sure, I don't pick up my guitar or saxophone when I'm "inspired" to do so, but when I force myself. My problem is that although I'd love to make a habit out of it, I simply can't. And this isn't only a music problem, I have the same issue with pretty much everything that I try.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 12:54
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:



The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively.
Honestly, I don't care for how the engineer mixes the cuts as long as the material itself is solid and is well executed.
I view a mix as part of the material. After all, there are no actual parameters to the sound we create. I view my music as sculpting a specific mass of sound from endless possibilities of sounds. Approaching our own music as sound, regardless of whether or not we've placed systematic parameters on it, is very important IMO.

On the topic of motivation, writer Octavia Butler once said, "Forget inspiration. Habit is more dependable." Writing music everyday is a great way to grow an awareness for your craft. Even if you create something sub-par, you'll still have that experience of making something, and therefore better yourself as an artist. The same goes with lyrics. You only get better by doing it.

I'm in a similar boat to Smarts here. I write everyday, not even out of discipline, but out of habit. I didn't start writing every day until I picked up guitar. I didn't know any songs, but I knew chords, and so I just played sequences of chords everyday. It sort of grew from there. Lyrics have been more of a discipline thing for me. I still don't write lyrics everyday, but I write a lot more frequently than I used to. You just have to start. Write down any ideas at the risk of sounding stupid. Revise them. Think of interesting ways to use them. Anyways, I do have trouble finishing things, because I'm very picky, particularly about my own music. I end up pulling my hair out trying to get the right sound, the right form, to communicate what I want to communicate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 12:30
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?
Try putting a bit more reverb on the drums and taking away some compression. It might sound like a more modern, more electric version of this:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 07:49
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 02:36
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A while ago I was thinking about starting a thread called PA Musicians' Collective Journal where we all could ramble on about what we're up to and pat each other on the backs. This seems like at least somewhat close to the same idea, thanks Thumbs Up

From time to time I've been thinking about pressing a small number of CDs of my album (burning the music myself to pre-printed CDrs, probably), and as I've lately been doing a bit of remixing to the material, I guess I'll wait until the mix is done and then I'll get on with it. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to them, I've been thinking around 20 copies at first, there might be a possibility that I could get rid of that amount.

So what do you do?
I would recommend using Amazon's CreateSpace for producing limited runs of CDs. For 20 copies you can do it yourself on a PC but CreateSpace produces a more professional looking product. Both these would be CDR but glass pressed CDs are only viable for quantities over 500.
 
Here's one of mine produced using CreateSpace.
 
 
There's at least one company in Finland that I know of who make professional cases (digipak or jewelcase, I haven't decided yet, and they have a mass of other options as well) and very good looking blank CDrs. They could also press the whole thing start to finish, but yeah, the quantity might be an issue there, and for such a small number it's ok for me to burn it myself if the rest of the package is fine.

The problem I have is the artwork, because the original cover photo was taken on a pretty crappy camera that looks fine on a screen, but pretty muddy when printed. If all else fails, I guess I'll have to go on a hike and re-shoot it or have somebody paint it.

I might take a look at Createspace anyway, thanks for the suggestion.Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:14
^ Oh ... . Well, whatever pleases your heart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:13
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
In other words, finding the right audience for ya is one of the main problems. Did I get that right? That's why I think trying to make a good singer-songwriter (assume it as a genre for a moment, think Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and the like) is a good idea. All you have to do is just pick up a guitar and perform the song. It's not dressed into any style, be that metal, old school rock-n'-roll, or vocal-modal jazz, so I think that at this point your song is more accessible that way, i.e. if you keep it stripped down.
Not really what I meant. It was more "I can record music for people who want me to, but I have no motivation whatsoever and as a result cannot make music frequently".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:09
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
In other words, finding the right audience for ya is one of the main problems. Did I get that right? That's why I think trying to make a good singer-songwriter (assume it as a genre for a moment, think Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and the like) is a good idea. All you have to do is just pick up a guitar and perform the song. It's not dressed into any style, be that metal, old school rock-n'-roll, or vocal-modal jazz, so I think that at this point your song is more accessible that way, i.e. if you keep it stripped down.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:55
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I can't help composing and recording, it's a habit I couldn't get out of if I tried
And that is a good habit. Don't be like me, ... all drowsy, with a head clogged with trash but not inspirational music. Keep playing your instruments - they will become a natural extension of you, and soon you'll be able to play that electric guitar better than me and Pete Hammill put together. I've recently read a post from a forum on a different website where the author explicitly stated that an effective way to get better at improvisation is knowing your instrument, all the ins and outs, knowing how each chord and note you know sounds and how to play it right away without thinking and going through trial and error.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:54
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:47
I can't help composing and recording, it's a habit I couldn't get out of if I tried
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