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Svetonio
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 14:03 |
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 13:55 |
NutterAlert wrote:
I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito |
Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on. Or you maybe prefer our pre-Revolution leaders? Pavle Karadjordjević, the prince regent of Kingdom of Yugoslavia, with Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 25 March 1941.
Edited by Svetonio - September 03 2015 at 13:57
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micky
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 13:38 |
other Patrick Henry if the Stamp Act really burned his biscuits... I be he would have gone postal about Neo-Prog...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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SteveG
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 12:04 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
Bob Denver |
Did Gilligan revolt against the Skipper and claim Ginger in the coup? |
The only thing I'm sure of is that Thurston Howell 3rd was not, by definition, a socialist.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 12:01 |
Svetonio wrote:
SteveG wrote:
^If you remember the sixties, then you weren't there. That's false. We just want to forget about this Cold War BS. |
LOL! You should to forget Cold War because the New Cold War is already out there and at this moment the West don't have an answer on Kremlin's propaganda what successfuly presented Putin as an anti-globalist leader. |
Touche' Sventonio. Have a cigar!
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 08:21 |
progaardvark wrote:
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Did Gilligan revolt against the Skipper and claim Ginger in the coup?
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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NutterAlert
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 08:14 |
I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito
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progaardvark
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 07:42 |
Bob Denver
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---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 12:32 |
SteveG wrote:
^If you remember he sixties, then you weren't there. That's false. We just want to forget about this Cold War BS. |
LOL! You should to forget Cold War because the New Cold War is already out there and at this moment the West don't have an answer on Kremlin's propaganda what successfuly presented Putin as an anti-globalist leader.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:52 |
^If you remember the sixties, then you weren't there. That's false. We just want to forget about this Cold War BS.
Edited by SteveG - September 03 2015 at 12:00
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:48 |
JJLehto wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. |
Peep Show.
Oh, and to get back on topic...here's a leftist revolutionary that was left off: Tito. His forces liberated Yugoslavia with little Soviet support and was of course famous for his "independent minded" Socialism and didn't dabble in the Stalinist/Soviet shenanigans, and was a leading member of the non aligned movement. I have to admit, I am not very familiar at all with his domestic policy, but I never hear the name lumped with the more bloody/tyrannical dictators of the era.
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An article from the British press, from 1970:
Yugoslavia is a contradiction: communist, yet a free society.The explanation is that it is no longer purely communist, yet there
are anomalies which westerners would regard as serious limitations of
freedom. Above all, Yugoslavia is highly self-disciplined.Its
system of self-management and decentralisation defies accurate
comparison. One might be tempted to think Yugoslavia as westernised as,
say, Italy; but the League of Communists still plays the leading role,
and it pays to belong to the Party. While Yugoslavs would not
accept Kremlin communism, they do not want a society based on private
capital. Nor do they admire British democracy — with its party whips and
an Opposition dedicated to overthrowing the Government — or the
American system with its wheeling and dealing, remote from ordinary
people. In theory, the League of Communists is divorced from the
State. In fact all the Federal and Republic Ministers and leading
functionaries are Party members. The Party no longer issues directives;
it lays down principles upon which Government should act. Government
will argue tactics but would no more think of going against the Party
view than the Irish Government would condemn advice from Rome. It
is essential to be a Party member if one wishes to become a Minister,
almost essential for election to the assemblies, and essential in an
army officer and among diplomats. The directors of most factories and
institutions are members. On the other hand, on the ordinary
level, Party membership is a matter of choice, and it is easy to leave.
If a factory director is a paid-up card-carrier, his chief engineer is
likely not to be. The Macedonian information ministry representative who
drove me around was not a member. Nor are many professors. More
important is the trend of reducing government interference at almost
every level. This and decentralisation are so advanced that many
communists are trying to restore some sort of central influence. They
do not, however, necessarily want a return to Soviet communism
(although there is a "Cominformist" faction which would like centrally
controlled ideological principles), but rather some sense of Yugoslav
national policy to bring together the fiercely independent trends which
self-management creates. There is, too, the natural strain between
progressives and conservatives, between rich and poor. The rich north
subsidises the often extremely poor south. Concepts of left and right
become muddled. Marshal Tito, who is both a progressive and a conservative, presides over the pushing and shoving with monarchical prestige. The
dividing line between Party power and civic independence is difficult
to draw. Many Yugoslavs claim that they have achieved their revolution
so that Party membership is less and less important. One junior Minister said: "We are no longer too reliant on principles. They get in the way. We are much more pragmatic." The
bad old days are explained away thus: "We are trying to telescope what
Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale achieved in 250 years into 25
years. We were an occupied country, too, and old memories from those
days still remain. What happened after the revolution was absolutely
necessary. Now things are different. |
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 10:59 |
Svetonio must have a Tito fetish......
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Padraic
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 08:39 |
I smell a meme...
"Justin Bieber with Tito!" "Kim Kardashian with Tito!"
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someone_else
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 07:25 |
^Quite a few with whom I would never like to be seen.
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VOTOMS
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Posted: September 02 2015 at 07:10 |
Where's Frank Zappa there?
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Kati
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 21:50 |
Voted none of the above. Most revolutionaries became authoritarians. I do think Winston Churchill was a revolutionary in terms of his ideas how to deal with the second world war tho'. i.e. ships in convoy were more successful against the wolf pack submarines, he also is credited with coming up with designing the idea of the war tanks etc. he was very stubborn but also brave :) and obnoxious yes very much but at that time no one wanted his job thus they appointed him and he strived in it
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presdoug
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 20:22 |
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SteveG
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:02 |
^ Cool! But you forgot the shades!
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:59 |
I'm Spartacus.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:22 |
emigre80 wrote:
Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. |
Peep Show.
Oh, and to get back on topic...here's a leftist revolutionary that was left off: Tito. His forces liberated Yugoslavia with little Soviet support and was of course famous for his "independent minded" Socialism and didn't dabble in the Stalinist/Soviet shenanigans, and was a leading member of the non aligned movement. I have to admit, I am not very familiar at all with his domestic policy, but I never hear the name lumped with the more bloody/tyrannical dictators of the era.
Edited by JJLehto - September 01 2015 at 18:29
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