Who is your favourite revolutionary?

SteveG wrote: I'm defending Svetonio Dean, but just asking a question. How long does it take someone that has been brainwashed by decades of propaganda from an amoral political structure, that was further fueled by paranoia, to see the truth of that country's past, if ever?

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: NutterAlert wrote: I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on.    Murder is murder. Killing thousands of unarmed soldiers, prisoners, civilians, nurses, women and children in the name of a political ideology is mass murder, in a time of war that is called a war crime and in peace it is genocide, politicide and democide, either way it is mass murder and a criminal act. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that only armed combatants were killed but the forensic evidence from hundreds of mass graves says otherwise. There isn't enough white paint in the World to whitewash over the mass murders committed throughout the World during the 20th century in the name of some ridiculous ideology. It's sickening and nothing that any human being can ever be proud of. My favourite revolutionary, Mohandas Karamchand "Mahatma" Gandhi Mahatma Gandhi with mill workers in Darwen, Lancashire during a 1931 visit to Britain

Svetonio wrote: NutterAlert wrote: I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on.

SteveG wrote: Alright! Kind of a leading question but this is your turf, man.

RPI is pretty obvious.. Damn right the Cold War influenced Italian prog. I definitely recommend reading up on the history of those years. The context in which all that music was made.   Much more informative than you'll get from me as I don't have the time to fully explain it, and Raff is the one to really speak of that. She was there, I just learned from her.

Krautrock is a bit more subtle IMO in its influences and goes into some things I'd just assume not go into as it is some pretty heavy stuff.

Alright! Kind of a leading question but this is your turf, man.

And how did the Cold War influence Prog? Well, after Dr. Zhavago was released as a movie, Michael Dunford became interested in exiled or imprisoned Soviet writers like Boris Pasternak and  Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and pretty soon we got songs from Renaissance like Mother Russia and Ukraine Ways. Does anyone know of other Cold War influences on prog? 

I remeber when I was very small, my father (an old commie) saying to me that that country with something of my name ("Gus") didnt exist anymore. I got so upset - Dont even remeber exaclty when.

I've read only a small article about socialism in Yugoslavia, the descentralized sistem that differ so much from the Soviet Union (later periods) have to be brought up at some point.

micky wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Svetonio must have a Tito fetish......       better than his Milosevic fetish

As a Titoist, I can't be a fan of former Wall Street banker and counter-revolutionaire Slobodan Milošević who 1) destroyed Tito's Yugoslavia in blood, using Serbian nationalism which was defeated in the Revolution 2) replacing that ingeniously created decentralized self-management socialism with a centralized gangster-socialism.

Edited by Svetonio - September 03 2015 at 14:41

Triceratopsoil wrote: Svetonio's got some interesting revisionist history

Says the guy who posts pics of Mussolini. My parents lived under Fascism and through WWII, and it surely was no picnic.