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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2014 at 01:27
This ISIS thingy can become a nasty piece of work, mark my words, it will do a lot of damage if the world closes it eyes. 
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Even religions, which are quite un-scientific and against change, evolve to a degree. Christianity used to cause all sorts of massacres and has finally turned into something harmless (with exceptions of course). 

Islam hasn't evolved at all from that perspective. It's really reactionary, even for a religion. 
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


The entire world cries out for the innocent Gazans and what does Hamas respond with?  "This is our victory!" 
Strange comment only because a civilized civilian government would mourn its dead. 


Meanwhile, not a hint of outrage, no mass protests, not a peep from the Muslim world over the genocide by ISIS of the Christian minority in Iraq, nor the destruction of Mosques and murder of Shi'ites and Kurds.

Oh, that's right, the "religion of peace" is within their rights to eradicate infidels. Mohammed said so.
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The entire world cries out for the innocent Gazans and what does Hamas respond with?  "This is our victory!" 
Strange comment only because a civilized civilian government would mourn its dead. 


Edited by tszirmay - August 07 2014 at 14:56
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The peace talks in Cairo are still in process, as for now it seems Israel will accept a few of Hamas demands.

Also the cease fire will expire in 11 hours so the ball is in Hamas hands, since Israel never initiated an attack and never will. So will Hamas embrace this egyptian initiative or will again initiate a strike on the Israeli cities?

Let's see...
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

UN Chief: Attack on UN school "criminal" and a "Gross violation of international law"

UN condemnation

Maybe this is retribution for allowing the State of Palestine into the United Nations.
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UN Chief: Attack on UN school "criminal" and a "Gross violation of international law"

UN condemnation

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I hate the sh*t storm that goes on there
I feel awful for ALL those involved
I hate how all us in the "west" stroke our egos and battle each other over how smart we are by breaking down the situation and treating it like an intellectual game (granted this always happens). 
I hate that its always "OMG Palestine/Hamas/Gaza (whatever you'd like) is the evil one, must support Israel at all costs" or "OMG Israel is the wrongdoer now!!" 
I do hate that the US gives so much military aid to Israel, as well as other countries... and that US foreign policy is just disgusting in general. 
I really hate how it's near impossible to find anything unbiased about

Basically, this whole mess is just dreadful. I pray it ends peacefully someday 


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

No it's not...Disapprove
Speaking as a US citizen we have given too much military aid to Israel.  We have religious right wing nut jobs that are hoping their exploitation of this situation will bring on the apocalypse and bring Jesus back...

Care to explain to me how if one side lobbing in a few missiles that kill no one one justify the mass murder of innocent civilians?

Intolerant right wing religious people drag us all down.  I will await anyone who cares to make the case otherwise.

As a US citizen, you seem to forget the disproportionate arms sales to Saudi Arabia, UAE as well as the many other nations around the world, a thriving business to say the least. Well, I am not a republican Messiah awaiter, but I did post two, rather long essays in this thread that are devoid of any politics or religious sides. Please take a look and get back to me then. 
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No it's not...Disapprove
Speaking as a US citizen we have given too much military aid to Israel.  We have religious right wing nut jobs that are hoping their exploitation of this situation will bring on the apocalypse and bring Jesus back...

Care to explain to me how if one side lobbing in a few missiles that kill no one one justify the mass murder of innocent civilians?

Intolerant right wing religious people drag us all down.  I will await anyone who cares to make the case otherwise.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'm from Scotts-Irish ancestry.  I have no direct stake in this fight.  I stand with the underdogs...

Its not a rugby contest ! Embarrassed
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Members of Neturei Karta join hundreds of Arab Americans to protest Israels military offensive in Gaza, outside the White House in Washington, DC, USA, 02 August 2014. EPA

http://www.vosizneias.com/174010/2014/08/02/washington-thousands-at-gaza-protest-outside-white-house-demonstrators-compares-netanyahu-to-hitler/
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Washington - Thousands of demonstrators waving Palestinian flags and dressed in the flag’s green, red, white and black colors filled a square outside the White House and marched around the nation’s capital to support ending violence in Gaza.

Demonstrators on Saturday carried signs including: “We stand with Gaza,” ‘‘Free Palestine Let Gaza Live!” and “Stop the Massacre of Gaza.” The group’s chants could be heard from the north lawn of the White House, but President Barack Obama was not at home.

According to AFP, many of the protesters voiced anger at Netanyahu, with one waving a banner that read “Netanyahu and Hitler are the same, the only difference is the name.”

Among the demonstrators was Tariq Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian-American teenager from Florida who was arrested, and he says beaten, by Israeli security forces.

A handful of ultra-Orthodox Jews dressed in their Shabbos garb from the anti-Zionist’s group Neturei Karta were among those in the demonstration.

An approximately 20-person group of Israel supporters also turned out, and the two groups exchanged shouts.







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http://news.msn.com/world/israel-renews-gaza-shelling-30-dead

Smoke rises after an explosion in Gaza, August 2.

GAZA/JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Renewed Israeli shelling killed at least 30 people in Gaza on Sunday
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Two opposing governments , one a democratically elected one and the other an armed militia. Just like with the IRA and the ANC, Hamas needs to demilitarize and govern its people accordingly. Fatah, to a certain extent has understood that principle. Hamas or Hezbollah, not quite! It behooves every modern society to reign in its extremists, do disarm them and guide them towards expressing their views in a political only forum. In my opinion, the Palestinians are shooting themselves in the foot by urging armed conflict and playing into Israeli hands. It should not be the sacrifice of Israeli soldiers to insure more moderate attitudes. This "Lets throw the Jews into the ocean" crap needs to cease permanently. Frankly, the hardest things to manage are the real simple ones. Boys just love their toys. Time for some responsible, educated and intelligent men to take over. I believe that is what Sagi is trying to express. 


That seems a reasonable  position certainly, but regrdless of the journeys to power that the opposing forces have taken to appropriate prevalence, does the statement: Israel should accept most if not all of Hamas demands because they are logical,(by Sagichm) make the argument of sovereignty over Israel an irredeemably spurious one?

Sagi also added to that quote , the following "But as I said the other side also has a lot of work to do". 
Morality= As per CNN live report" So a cease-fire is called, the Israelis stop immediately, Hamas doesnt give a hoot and keeps unleashing rockets . Israel responds and civilians get caught in the crossfire. But some reporting OMITS the word crossfire and the premise behind the actions/reactions. That is what I call propaganda , slicing and editing the truth in order to fit into an agenda. There are idiot extremists in Israel too but they are kept in check. In Gaza, its the other way around, the moderates are kept in check, with the extremists running the show. 
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Two opposing governments , one a democratically elected one and the other an armed militia. Just like with the IRA and the ANC, Hamas needs to demilitarize and govern its people accordingly. Fatah, to a certain extent has understood that principle. Hamas or Hezbollah, not quite! It behooves every modern society to reign in its extremists, do disarm them and guide them towards expressing their views in a political only forum. In my opinion, the Palestinians are shooting themselves in the foot by urging armed conflict and playing into Israeli hands. It should not be the sacrifice of Israeli soldiers to insure more moderate attitudes. This "Lets throw the Jews into the ocean" crap needs to cease permanently. Frankly, the hardest things to manage are the real simple ones. Boys just love their toys. Time for some responsible, educated and intelligent men to take over. I believe that is what Sagi is trying to express. 


That seems a reasonable  position certainly, but regrdless of the journeys to power that the opposing forces have taken to appropriate prevalence, does the statement: Israel should accept most if not all of Hamas demands because they are logical,(by Sagichm) make the argument of sovereignty over Israel an irredeemably spurious one?
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Two opposing governments , one a democratically elected one and the other an armed militia. Just like with the IRA and the ANC, Hamas needs to demilitarize and govern its people accordingly. Fatah, to a certain extent has understood that principle. Hamas or Hezbollah, not quite! It behooves every modern society to reign in its extremists, do disarm them and guide them towards expressing their views in a political only forum. In my opinion, the Palestinians are shooting themselves in the foot by urging armed conflict and playing into Israeli hands. It should not be the sacrifice of Israeli soldiers to insure more moderate attitudes. This "Lets throw the Jews into the ocean" crap needs to cease permanently. Frankly, the hardest things to manage are the real simple ones. Boys just love their toys. Time for some responsible, educated and intelligent men to take over. I believe that is what Sagi is trying to express. 

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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

That would be an uncompromising peace since it is peace on your terms and not on mutually agreed terms. As I said, it's difficult and complicated so you must try harder to avoid conditions and demands that would prevent true compromise. No one said this will be easy so there are no easy or comfortable answers.
Of course I was referring to a compromise on both sides, Israel too. That way both sides will be engaged in a peace process that already have a certain momentum. I have already stated in this thread that Israel should accept most if not all of Hamas demands, not because they will terrorize us if we won't but because those terms are actually logical. But as I said the other side also has a lot of work to do.


I'm not trying to be difficult here but given that you have just stated that: Israel should accept most if not all of Hamas demands because they are logical, where precisely do your objections begin to the delivery of that sacrifice? Does your patriotism/solidarity trump avowed morality?

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

That would be an uncompromising peace since it is peace on your terms and not on mutually agreed terms. As I said, it's difficult and complicated so you must try harder to avoid conditions and demands that would prevent true compromise. No one said this will be easy so there are no easy or comfortable answers.
Of course I was referring to a compromise on both sides, Israel too. That way both sides will be engaged in a peace process that already have a certain momentum. I have already stated in this thread that Israel should accept most if not all of Hamas demands, not because they will terrorize us if we won't but because those terms are actually logical. But as I said the other side also has a lot of work to do.
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