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Points: 18060 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 11:19
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 Would you say then that the musical concepts that work are those where we already know the backstory, ie those that are based upon well-known existing work, such as Watership Down, Lord Of The Rings or The Snow Goose... or those themed albums that are intended to provide instrumental vignettes to characters such as The Six Wives of Henry VIII or inspired on objects such as the cards in a Tarot deck? [no clues... this is a pop quiz - name that album]
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I don't know how to answer that but I can tell you that I have bits and pieces from everywhere, and one day I write a piece about John Doe, and this bit and piece I had, fits in the middle of it somehow, and becomes a part of it.
 
You play music. You know that happens!
 
I am not sure, or convinced, that we all start with "ideas", similar to a child, just sitting at one keyboard ... and they do this and that, and you look at it. The "sense" that you and I would expect and define for ourselves, when we do something, would be missing ... at least as far as we know, since we do not know what a "child sense" would be other than our own ideas.
 
And there are many artists, that are "very child like" (if you will) in their approach.
 
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Actually "Savage Messiah" and Ken's film on Dante Gabriel Rossetti are my favorite "biographies" of his, and his Isadora Duncan is very nice as well. Mahler's film was very nice, but in some ways ... left me "disconnected" even though I don't know why. Have to see it again.
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


...Holst's Planet Suite is most definitely a concept, but Handel's Music For The Royal Fireworks and Tichycoughski's 1812 Overture are commemorative pieces based upon ideas but are not conceptual.
 
Agreed.
 
Tichycoughski's?
 
Hahaha!!!!
 
Oh, btw, I never have names for any poems or things I write, because I have no idea what to use for it. On the poems, I use the first line to identify them!


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Points: 1413 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 11:16
If Herbie Hancock is listed on Progarchives, which is the case, would it be appropriate to mention his Maiden Voyage? 

Also - possibly - The Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy, a space-themed Return To Forever album from the '70s. 

I'm glad the OP started this topic, reminding me of Camel. So I pulled out the Goose and gave it a good listen, and I was well pleased :)
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 08:59
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

(...) I would dearly love to ignore every post you make here but your breed of spam-trolling is difficult to avoid.

My "breed of spam-trolling"?! No problem Dean, I will ignore your posts from now on. As you do not admin anymore that I have read your posts for notifications, alerts, etc.
Also, you are not a member of any of the Teams that I need to read what you have to say about my suggestions at PA' "Suggest new bands and artists" sub-forum (my favourite one).
Indeed, I really have no reason to read your posts after a series of insults (when you run out of arguments).

e.g. :

Quote Originally posted by Svetonio

Let the reviews speaks for the music.

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Stop being a dick.

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Last but not least, I am not interested in your musical philosophy, much less in your erudition. I saw a lot of internet erudits, and you know what - they become boring after a while. So, bye bye Dean!
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 07:58
I honestly don't know why I even try to reason with you. I would dearly love to ignore every post you make here but your breed of spam-trolling is difficult to avoid.
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 07:22
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

(...), if Vangelis had called it "Fluffy Bunny In The Headlights" or "Opus #39" would it have invoked the same feelings in YOU?
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Try Instagram, this is a discussion forum, so let's discuss - If I want to see pretty pictures I'll use Google Image Search, If I want to look at Vangelis album covers I'll got to his artist page. 

We all know what Albedo 0.39 is about - what are your views on how well that is conveyed in the music, if Vangelis had called it "Fluffy Bunny In The Headlights" or "Opus #39" would it have invoked the same feelings in YOU?
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


(...) Unless you say why you find these to be good examples of instrumental concept albums they will remain random cover pictures. (..)

Sorry Dean, but I really do not intend to be here for the hearing of the informations that you already know (e.g. "Albedo 0.39 is about space and space physics"). This is ridiculous.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:33
No one is asking for a PhD thesis or a dissertation of Proustian proportion. Unless you say why you find these to be good examples of instrumental concept albums they will remain random cover pictures. Your replies here show well enough that you are smarter than this. We ask nicely, we ask curtly and/or we ask bluntly - each time the same excuse and you continue to ignore out pleas. That is rudeness in any language and in any culture.

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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:24
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I have no talent for serious analysis of what I listen
Ask me what flavour my tongue is.Confused

If you think you can provoke me with such foolishness, you are sadly mistaken.
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Points: 11420 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:19
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I have no talent for serious analysis of what I listen


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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:17
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^^ I, too, would like to see a bit more explanation on those covers - i.e. what is the concept all about?

Actually, the masterpieces whose jackets I posted here (instead of a list, 'cause I love images) are all very famous instrumental concept albums. Because I have no talent to write a serious analysis (reviews) of what I listen, please go listen to these albums and you will be told by the music

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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:04
^^ I, too, would like to see a bit more explanation on those covers - i.e. what is the concept all about?

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I don't share your conviction but don't doubt your sincerity as spokesman for Prog fans for a second. LOL

Maybe if I would rephrase to "we don't (necessarily) and it can", this would reflect reality a bit better Wink.

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I agree with Iain, and I also agree with Athanasios that some of these are stated by the composer/artist but those that are not are open to interpretation due to the imagery they conjure in the listener. The Planet Suite does not invoke imagery of the celestial bodies themselves but of the mythical beings they are named after since that is stated in the track (sub)titles (bringer of Joy, bringer of War etc). 

From my own inept experience of creating instrumental music there is no easy way of telling whether each CD of music was constructed to a theme or whether the titles preceded the musical composition unless I explicitly state the case one way or another. Even when I've composed an album with a lyrical narrative, the music alone without the sung vocal doesn't tell a story as such.

Good points, it is not easy to say with the "open to interpretation" ones but would be interesting to hear  read how some are creating different "pictures" to different people.

On the "stated" ones, Bo Hannson's LOTR came to mind - and despite the fact that the pieces of music don't necessarily flow smoothly from one to the other, there is a variation of moods depending on the theme of each piece (see from relaxed to adventurous etc.), which attempts to portray the themes. Maybe not one of my favourite albums but surely a good example.


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Points: 11420 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 06:03
Every James Last Orchestra album has a clear musical direction that follows a thematic idea but they ain't instrumental concept albums pilgrim. No wait, please don't propose James Last for.....Shocked
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2014 at 05:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

(ps: Svetonio - can you PLEASE easy-up on posting random album covers and tell us why you are selecting these albums - we can all list themed and conceptual instrumental albums)
First of all, my choice of the covers is not random, and you know it. But I'll tell you briefly what I mean by that is an instrumental concept album; it is album that has a very clear musical direction (following an idea and/or atmosphere).
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I agree with Iain, and I also agree with Athanasios that some of these are stated by the composer/artist but those that are not are open to interpretation due to the imagery they conjure in the listener. The Planet Suite does not invoke imagery of the celestial bodies themselves but of the mythical beings they are named after since that is stated in the track (sub)titles (bringer of Joy, bringer of War etc). 

From my own inept experience of creating instrumental music there is no easy way of telling whether each CD of music was constructed to a theme or whether the titles preceded the musical composition unless I explicitly state the case one way or another. Even when I've composed an album with a lyrical narrative, the music alone without the sung vocal doesn't tell a story as such.

Producing a narrative in instrumental music often relies on placing readily identifiable musical phrases or instrumentation within the melody, as can be heard through-out Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring ... or in the Little April Showers song from Disney's Bambi, where pizzicato notes invokes the sound of dripping water before the vocal starts ... but when you strive to avoid the predictable or shy away from the over-use of cliché-ridden phrasing other clues are often needed, be that a title, a cover picture or by the use of explanatory sleeve notes.


(ps: Svetonio - can you PLEASE easy-up on posting random album covers and tell us why you are selecting these albums - we can all list themed and conceptual instrumental albums)
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^ I don't share your conviction but don't doubt your sincerity as spokesman for Prog fans for a second. LOL

Edited by ExittheLemming - July 20 2014 at 05:28
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