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Posted: July 01 2014 at 06:32
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
(...) The term "Adult Oriented Rock" that Svetonio uses is the (short-lived) British definition of a group of artists whose audience was predominately Adults (as opposed to Teens), like Album Orient Radio this is not a style or genre of music, merely a list of disparate artists whose music covered a variety of styles and genres (...)
Exactly!
But not the definition that anyone else other than you is currently using.
Well, e.g. Rumors the album is "Classic Rock" now. During that short (or "short", doesn't matter anymore) period, Rumors was an archetype of Adult Oriented Rock.
What the hell is "classic rock"?
Just wondering, is there any type of rock that isn't adult oriented? I can only think of the US kiddy metal bands that seem to proliferate on Kerrang TV these days.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 06:20
^ LOL call me crazy but I refuse to accept so stupid thing that e.g. Nazareth was / is Adult Oriented Rock, and Fleetwood Mac wasn't - only because somebody like you say so at internet.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 05:29
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Objection! I demandthat thediscussionusingthe originalterminology that was invented in the second halfof the seventies and widely used untill earlyeighties!
I'm sorry you weren't living in the UK or USA in the 1970s - it's not my fault and I cannot change that. I'm also sorry that your interpretation of received knowledge does not agree with the personal experiences of those who were - again, this is not my fault and I cannot change that. All I can do is politely point out that you are talking about a completely different subject to everyone else. I'm sorry that this does not make you a maverick or an enlightened being, it just makes you look odd (and not in a good way).
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 05:17
Dean wrote:
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During that short (or "short", doesn't matter anymore) period, Rumorswas an archetype of Adult Oriented Rock.
Of course it bloody matters. Language is the means of conveying information that is understood by the people you are talking too. If you are using a different definition of the words you use to everyone else then no one will understand you. If no one understands you then no one will ever agree with you. Rumors was typical of Adult Oriented Rock, but AOR today, for the rest of the world except Svetonio, means Album Oriented Rock as typified by Asia, Boston, Foreigner, Journey, Survivor and Toto - NOT Fleetwood Mac.
Adult Oriented Rock is an archaic term - used for a brief period in the UK it back in the late 1970s and no one (except you) uses it now. It is not the subject of this poll.
Objection! I demandthat thediscussionusingthe originalterminology that was invented in the second halfof the seventies and widely used untill earlyeighties!
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 05:09
Svetonio wrote:
During that short (or "short", doesn't matter anymore) period, Rumorswas an archetype of Adult Oriented Rock.
Of course it bloody matters. Language is the means of conveying information that is understood by the people you are talking too. If you are using a different definition of the words you use to everyone else then no one will understand you. If no one understands you then no one will ever agree with you. Rumors was typical of Adult Oriented Rock, but AOR today, for the rest of the world except Svetonio, means Album Oriented Rock as typified by Asia, Boston, Foreigner, Journey, Survivor and Toto - NOT Fleetwood Mac.
Adult Oriented Rock is an archaic term - used for a brief period in the UK it back in the late 1970s and no one (except you) uses it now. It is not the subject of this poll.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 04:58
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
(...)
The term "Adult Oriented Rock" that Svetonio uses is the (short-lived) British definition of a group of artists whose audience was predominately Adults (as opposed to Teens), like Album Orient Radio this is not a style or genre of music, merely a list of disparate artists whose music covered a variety of styles and genres (...)
Exactly!
But not the definition that anyone else other than you is currently using.
Well, e.g. Rumors the album is "Classic Rock" now.
During that short (or "short", doesn't matter anymore) period, Rumors was an archetype of Adult Oriented Rock.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 04:48
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
(...)
The term "Adult Oriented Rock" that Svetonio uses is the (short-lived) British definition of a group of artists whose audience was predominately Adults (as opposed to Teens), like Album Orient Radio this is not a style or genre of music, merely a list of disparate artists whose music covered a variety of styles and genres (...)
Exactly!
But not the definition that anyone else other than you is currently using.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 04:02
Dean wrote:
(...)
The term "Adult Oriented Rock" that Svetonio uses is the (short-lived) British definition of a group of artists whose audience was predominately Adults (as opposed to Teens), like Album Orient Radio this is not a style or genre of music, merely a list of disparate artists whose music covered a variety of styles and genres (...)
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 03:47
Another three PERFECT examples of AOR.
Pete Townshend's solo efffort Empty Glass is Rock / Adult Oriented Rockalbum from 1980 which get a great success, especially in the U.S where Let My Love Open The Door become a top ten hit single.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 03:23
^ Finally, someone's brought the differentiations between all this AOR hullabaloo - adult, album, rock, radio.......
It's all 'oriented' in such a way to appeal to the masses whichever way you hear it. I love Jefferson's Red Octopus, but I can't get into Christopher Cross' brand of 'AOR'. There are differences......
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 03:10
While now we treat the initialism of AOR as being synonymous to "Adult Oriented Rock" "Album Orient Rock" and "Album Oriented Radio" they were originally three completely different things and were not the same.
The term "Album Oriented Radio" that dr whu gave the Wikipedia definition for is a FM radio show format peculiar to the Untied States of America. Since Wikipedia generally gives the American view of history (as most of its more vociferous editors are America) this is the only definition that Wikipedia will countenance - they do not tag any bands as being AOR nor do they define it as a genre or style of music. FM radio format is unique to the USA and was unknown in Europe at the time.
The term "Album Oriented Rock" that RYM definesis the generally accepted musical genre that has a distinct style and describes a very specific group of predominately American artists. Album Oriented Rock draws on (Classic) Progressive Rock and crosses over into MTV-friendly Pop Rock or Soft Rock territory - if you subtract Progressive Rock from Neo Prog the remainder would be Album Oriented Rock
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The term "Adult Oriented Rock" that Svetonio uses is the(short-lived) British definition of a group of artists whose audience was predominately Adults (as opposed to Teens), like Album Orient Radio this is not a style or genre of music, merely a list of disparate artists whose music covered a variety of styles and genres - an unkind description would be that it is the Rock form of Easy Listening music. In the UK this was discarded as a term as the American Album Oriented Rock and the artists associated with it became more popular.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 02:37
Icarium wrote:
Both styles are dancefloor friendly , both have each decade of suxess, also both have honur of propelling bass guitar to the forefront more then any other genre (imo as a bassplayer mysrlf) both styles have realy artistical merrits.
Originally, Adult Oriented Rock wasn't dancefloor friendly.
Actually, itwasmore for listen towhile your drive your car, or whenyou sitat the bar anddrinkyour favoritespiritduringlazyafternoons. Of course,as an adult.
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 02:13
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I don't recall any sort of "flash-rock" label applied to Asia. They're AOR through and through, or MOR.
'Flash Rock' as the term now means almost nothing, but in The illustrated New Musical Express Encyclopedia of Rock (Salamander Books Limited, 1977), the authors Nick Logan and Bob Woffinden mentioned flash rock even in the Yes chapter, and they wrote that Rick Wakeman "push the band more deep into something what become knowing as flash rock or techno rock territory." Also, in the same chapter, while describing the genre, the authors have called ELP "leading representatives of flash rock" as "technically stunning but inflated and pretentious school of rock". I have Croatian version of the book, but the terms are cited in English.
That still means Asia certainly isn't flash rock. They were AOR from the get-go. That, and the press also called them dinosaurs — in 1982!!
Press called them a "supergroup" too - that's just perfect for Flash Rock!
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