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the icon of sin
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 17:33 |
I'll only rate the albums i know, by both bands.
Members
Steve Hackett vs Steve Howe (i don't like either as much as the other Steve H., of Gong)
Phil Collins vs Alan White (but Bruford is better the Collins and no mistake)
Mike Rutherford vs Chris Squire (pretty obvious is an understatement)
Peter Gabriel vs Jon Anderson (equal, as mentioned earlier Gabrial has the emotion but Anderson the range)
Tony Banks vs Rick Wakeman (who can top the caped crusader?)
So Genesis 1 point, Yes 3 points
Albums
Tresspass vs Time and a Word
Nursery Crime vs The Yes Album
Foxtrot vs Fragile (equal, i can't decide...)
Selling England By the Pound vs Close To The Edge (personal enjoyment )
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway vs Tales of topographic oceans (extremely close)
Trick of the tail vs Relayer
Wind and Wuthering vs Going for the one
Genesis 3 points, Yes 3 points
Edited by the icon of sin
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Syntharachnid
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Points: 703
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 16:37 |
Members
Steve Hackett vs Steve Howe
Phil Collins vs Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins vs Bill Bruford
Mike Rutherford vs Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel vs Jon Anderson (Equal. I like Jon's voice MUCH better, but Peter is a better frontman. I also like Jon's philosophy that the way the words sound is more important that what they mean.)
Tony Banks vs Rick Wakeman
Albums
I haven't heard all of the albums neccesary to judge all of these categories, but I can at least do the classics:
Nursery Crime vs The Yes Album by a LOT
Foxtrot vs Fragile
Selling England By the Pound vs Close To The Edge
Genesis Live vs Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway vs Tales From Topographic oceans (Greatest album of all time!!!)
Trick of the tail vs Relayer
Wind and Wuthering vs Going for the one
Genesis vs Yes!!!
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Tony Fisher
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 30 2005
Location: England
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Points: 967
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 09:26 |
Zitro wrote:
Of course, the two bands for many are very similar in musical quality and style, so it is a good idea to compare which is best in specific areas :
Members
Steve Hackett > Steve Howe
Phil Collins > Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins = Bill Bruford (if you wish)
Mike Rutherford << Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel > Jon Anderson
Tony Banks = Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to Revelations < Yes (both poor)
Tresspass > Time and a Word
Nursery Cryme = The Yes Album
Foxtrot >> Fragile
Selling England By the Pound > Close To The Edge
Genesis Live > Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway >>>>>>> Tales of topographic oceans
Trick of the tail < Relayer (but close)
Wind and Wuthering = Going for the one
And then there were three = Tormato
Duke < Drama
Genesis = 90125 (both abysmal)
Acabab = Big Generator (again, both abysmal)
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Genesis > Yes
= if you can't decide
> < greater, worse than
>> << much better , worse than
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Omayyad
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 05:45 |
From Genesis To Revelations vs Yes
Tresspass vs Time And A Word
Nursery Cryme vs The Yes Album
Foxtrot vs Fragile
Selling England By The Pound vs Close To The Edge
Genesis Live vs Yessongs
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway vs Tales Of Topographic Oceans
A Trick Of The Tail vs Relayer
Wind And Wuthering vs Going For The One
And Then There Were Three vs Tormato
Duke vs Drama
Genesis vs 90125
Acabab vs Big Generator
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Bj-1
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Joined: June 04 2005
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 05:30 |
- Peter Gabriel - Jon Anderson
- Tony Banks - Rick Wakeman
- Steve Hackett - Steve Howe
- Mike Rutherford - Chris Squire
- Phil Collins - Bill Bruford
Albums:
- Nursery Cryme - The YES album
- Foxtrot - Fragile
- Genesis Live - Yessongs
- Selling England By The Pound - Close To The Edge
- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - Tales From Topographic Oceans
- A Trick of The Tail - Relayer
- Wind & Wuthering - Going For The One
Genesis wins, IMO!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Gianthogweed
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Status: Offline
Points: 224
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 05:08 |
Jon Anderson < Peter Gabriel
Steve Hackett = Steve Howe
Tony Banks < Rick Wakeman
Mike Rutherford < Chris Squire
Phil Collins = Bill Bruford
Phil Collins > Alan White
From Genesis to Revelation < Yes
Trespass > Time and a Word
Nursery Cryme = The Yes Album
Foxtrot = Fragile
Selling England By the Pound < Close to the Edge
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Tales From Topographic Oceans
A Trick of the Tale < Relayer
Wind & Wuthering > Going for the One
And Then There Were Three < Tormato
Duke < Drama
Abacab > 90125
Genesis > Big Generator
Invisible Touch < Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe
We Can't Dance < Union
Calling All Stations < Talk
nothing < everything Yes has done since
Yes wins.
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Intruder
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 06:15 |
Love the first two Yes LPs....great jazzy band that specialized in far out covers. The first two Genesis LPs do little for me....some of Tresspass points the direction to the future....and some of the 12 string and flute passages were pretty groovy. Of course, the lads in Yes were a bit older.....the members of Genesis were barely out of school when they made the first LP.
The addition of Howe accelerated the eap forward into the realm of epic prog. Genesis, too, was heading in that direction with the very fine Nursery Cryme....but, again, Yes were the much more mature band and it really shows....The Yes Album is a true classic while Nursery Cryme, though an excellent LP and a HUGE leap forward for the band, simply pales in comparison.
Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound are signature Genesis....no other band could have pulled off the vague English references and folksy themes of these albums. They mark the absolute high points of the band and are certainly true progressive classics. The same goes for Fragile and Close to the Edge.....the group and individual performances showed the boys were virtuosos and the true vanguard of the prog movement. Verdict: too close to call....don't wanna call....absolute must-have albums.
The Lamb is simply a more interesting record than Tales....though Tales contains some absolute stunning passages. The Lamb was a real departure in sound for Genesis while Tales just rehashes their side long style.
On the flip side, Relayer is a much more daring LP than Trick of the Tail. Relayer, while at times wildly atypical of the band's sound, is masterfully played if, at times, a bit bombastic, but definitely a prog record in every sense of the word. Trick is a friendly bear hug of an album....sweet and bouncy and kind on the ears, but not very progressive.
Wind is where it ends for Genesis....but what an ending. A solid return to the prog form. And, again, at the same time Yes took a step back from prog in search of a radio friendly sound. The bands almost seem to have been spying on each other....when one went proggy, the other went pop! Never really noticed that before.
I won't go on....no LP after these really interest me. I probably have owned and sold each and every release by Genesis after Wind. Interesting pop music, but nothing to hold the ear too long....Three Sides Live might make it to the turntable on occasions.
As for post-GFTO Yes, I kinda like Tormato....and Drama has some interesting moments....but almost everything I heard after that is really drab....even the live stabs at the old classics....just bland.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 00:28 |
Steve Hackett < Steve Howe
Phil Collins > Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins = Bill Bruford (if you wish)
Mike Rutherford < Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel = Jon Anderson
Tony Banks > Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to REvelations << Yes
Tresspass > Time and a Word
Nursery Crime < The Yes Album
Foxtrot > Fragile
Selling England By the Pound > Close To The Edge
Genesis Live = Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway >> Tales of topographic oceans
Trick of the tail < Relayer
Wind and Wuthering < Going for the one
And then there were three > Tormato
Duke > Drama
Genesis < 90125
Acabab > Big Generator
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floydaholic
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:30 |
FragileDT wrote:
floydaholic wrote:
Yes is the superior band |
Theres no doubt about that. Yes is the superior band with superior talent.
Buuuut Genesis is better. (IMO)
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Meh, to each his own. And superior, better, those two words are practically synonyms.
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I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon...
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Fragile
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:26 |
FragileDT wrote:
floydaholic wrote:
Yes is the superior band |
Theres no doubt about that. Yes is the superior band with superior talent.
Buuuut Genesis is better. (IMO) |
aye right who are you kiddin on?
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FragileDT
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:24 |
floydaholic wrote:
Yes is the superior band |
Theres no doubt about that. Yes is the superior band with superior talent.
Buuuut Genesis is better. (IMO)
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Fragile
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:21 |
Forget all these silly songs v others, Yes are are a mile higher than Gabriel's Genesis and they were stupendous;Yes are the greatest rock band on the planet.Their halcyon first 7 albums cannot be approached by no other prog band.Stop these silly threads and I won't have to reply goodnight
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raindance
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:40 |
floydaholic wrote:
Yes is the superior band |
I agree!
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floydaholic
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:37 |
Yes is the superior band
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I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon...
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Zitro
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:25 |
I apologize for the wrong album titles, I will edit it now.
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:31 |
Make a darn poll!!!!!!
Anyways, Yes is slightly better than Genesis due to Chris Squire's amazing ability.
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omri
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:30 |
Since Genesys is a very old love and I know them much better than I know Yes I will not vote on this thread. What is interesting That allmost everyone agrees that as players Yes are much better ones (with the exception on the singer) but the gap between the bands is much smaller when we deal with the music itself. It means that composing and song writing is more important than virtuosity. Better keep that in mind.
I must say that there are 2 mistakes on the album names : A trick of the tale and And then there were three. If we love the music we should respect it and write the accurate names.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:29 |
Zitro wrote:
Of course, the two bands for many are very similar in musical quality and style, so it is a good idea to compare which is best in specific areas :
Members
Steve Hackett vs Steve Howe tie
Phil Collins vs Alan White Collins can sing too, so 1-0 for Genesis
Edit : Phil Collins vs Bill Bruford (if you wish) Well, that's a tie, because Bruford makes great solo albums as well
Mike Rutherford vs Chris Squire Squire: better bassist; Rutherford, more prolific composer; but Squire made a FANTASTIC solo-album; Rutherford a very good one; hmmm... 1-1
Peter Gabriel vs Jon Anderson tie
Tony Banks vs Rick Wakeman tie
Albums
From Genesis to REvelations vs Yes Yes! Yes! Yes! 2-1 for Yes!
Tresspass vs Time and a Word Tie
Nursery Crime vs The Yes Album Tie
Foxtrot vs Fragile Fragile; 3-1 for Yes
Selling England By the Pound vs Close To The Edge Selling England; 3-2 for Yes
Genesis Live vs Yessongs Tie
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway vs Tales of topographic oceans Tie
Trick By the tail vs Relayer Tie
Wind and Wuthering vs Going for the one Going For The One; 4-2 for Yes
And there were three vs Tormato And Then There Were Three; 4-3 for Yes
Duke vs Drama Duke; that's 4-4
Genesis vs 90125 90125; 5-4 for Yes
Acabab vs Big Generator Abacab; that's 5-5
...
Genesis vs Yes
= if you can't decide
> < greater, worse than
>> << much better , worse than
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Conclusion:
Tie!
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FragileDT
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 16:57 |
Members, I'm comparing them talent wise. For example, I like Peter Gabriel's voice better than Jon Anderson (due to the intense emotion that Gabriel has) but I'm saying that Anderson is greater than Gabriel because he has a better voice.
Steve Hackett < Steve Howe
Phil Collins > Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins < Bill Bruford (if you wish)
Mike Rutherford < Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel < Jon Anderson
Tony Banks < Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to REvelations = Yes
Tresspass < Time and a Word
Nursery Crime < The Yes Album
Foxtrot > Fragile
Selling England By the Pound < Close To The Edge
Genesis Live < Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Tales of topographic oceans
Trick By the tail < Relayer
Wind and Wuthering < Going for the one
And there were three < Tormato
Duke < Drama
Genesis = 90125
Acabab = Big Generator
Even though I picked Yes for almost every single topic I like listening to Genesis better. If "More Fool Me" wasn't on Selling England I would have voted differently but since CTTE has no flaw and SEBTP has more fool me, the vote goes to Yes. Theres no question that Yes is more talented than Genesis member to member but I feel that Genesis write more emotional songs that are more enjoyable to listen to.
Edited by FragileDT
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Damen
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Points: 1068
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Posted: August 06 2005 at 16:56 |
Members
Steve Hackett < Steve Howe
Phil Collins > Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins < Bill Bruford (if you wish)
Mike Rutherford << Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel = Jon Anderson
Tony Banks < Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to Revelations < Yes
Tresspass > Time and a Word
Nursery Crime = The Yes Album
Foxtrot < Fragile
Selling England By the Pound < Close To The Edge
Genesis Live < Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Tales of topographic oceans
Trick By the tail < Relayer
Wind and Wuthering < Going for the one
And there were three = Tormato
Duke < Drama
Genesis < 90125
Acabab > Big Generator
Genesis < Yes
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"It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days."
-Chris Squire
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