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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 07:49 |
emdiar wrote:
I once converted a Motorhead/Sabbath fan into a Prog head via the first 3 Queen albums. Within a few weeks he was listening to Steve Hillage, Floyd, Wakeman and the Enid (!!!). Here are the songs (in blue) which are imo prog with a capital P.
Q1; Keep Yourself Alive, Doing Alright, Great King Rat, My Fairy King, Liar, The Night Comes Down, Modern Times Rock & Roll, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Seven Seas Of Rhye. (ie 7/10ths Prog)
Q2; Procession, Father to son, White Queen, Someday One Day, The Loser In The End, Ogre Battle, The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke, Nevermore, The March Of The Black Queen, Funny How Love Is, Seven Seas OF Rhye. (9/11ths Prog)
Sheer Heart Attack; Brighton Rock, Killer Queen, Tenement Funster, Flick Of The Wrist, Lily Of THe Valley, Now I'm Here, In The Lap Of The Gods, Stone Cold Crazy, Dear Friends, Misfire, Bring Back Leroy Brown, She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilletoes), In The Lap of the Gods... Revisited. (7/13, but the rest are great rock and/or ballads)
And what about The Prophet Song and Bohemian Rhapsody, yet to come? Can't get more Prog than them!!
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C'mon ! Queen Prog? i really dont feel that, even the songs you mentioned i only find them rock, plain rock, maybe some Rock and roll but not pro1. It's just that the time those albums were made was a proggy time, all rock bands then seemed prog. just like in 80's most metal bands were either like metallica, slayer, judas priest or death, and even in this musical dark ages we are living in most bands seem useless hardcore or alternative.
Maybe b'cause Camel, Pink Floyd and Marillion are my Prog heroes i can be a little closed minded about my definition of prog rock and about Queen being a prog band although i love'em
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emdiar
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 05:55 |
P.S. Anyone heard Foo Fighters version of "Have a Cigar" with BRIAN MAY on axe duties? (on "Air Guitar III".)
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emdiar
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 05:06 |
I once converted a Motorhead/Sabbath fan into a Prog head via the first 3 Queen albums. Within a few weeks he was listening to Steve Hillage, Floyd, Wakeman and the Enid (!!!). Here are the songs (in blue) which are imo prog with a capital P.
Q1; Keep Yourself Alive, Doing Alright, Great King Rat, My Fairy King, Liar, The Night Comes Down, Modern Times Rock & Roll, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Seven Seas Of Rhye. (ie 7/10ths Prog)
Q2; Procession, Father to son, White Queen, Someday One Day, The Loser In The End, Ogre Battle, The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke, Nevermore, The March Of The Black Queen, Funny How Love Is, Seven Seas OF Rhye. (9/11ths Prog)
Sheer Heart Attack; Brighton Rock, Killer Queen, Tenement Funster, Flick Of The Wrist, Lily Of THe Valley, Now I'm Here, In The Lap Of The Gods, Stone Cold Crazy, Dear Friends, Misfire, Bring Back Leroy Brown, She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilletoes), In The Lap of the Gods... Revisited. (7/13, but the rest are great rock and/or ballads)
And what about The Prophet Song and Bohemian Rhapsody, yet to come? Can't get more Prog than them!!
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:42 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
landberkdoten wrote:
| C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake. |
Wanna put some salt on that?
I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing...
[/QUOTE] "The Wizard" just with the lyrics alone is prog. I'll saturate it with salt.[/QUOTE]
Ok, ok... I just happen to cave-in when women talk me that way
Nah... I think you're somehow right, but just wanted to give you a harsh time
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:34 |
landberkdoten wrote:
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C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.[/QUOTE]
Wanna put some salt on that?
I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing... [/QUOTE] "The Wizard" just with the lyrics alone is prog. I'll saturate it with salt.
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:24 |
DoomHammer wrote:
I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums. |
Actually, if you listen to the first two Queen albums, they are entirely prog - and "Day At the Races" and "Night at the Opera" are a part of the same concept - a kind of double concept album, if you like. The latter particularly is more prog than you might think, IMO.
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 04:23 |
[/QUOTE] C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.[/QUOTE]
Wanna put some salt on that?
I've already shaken it and still receiving nothing...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 06 2004 at 03:56 |
landberkdoten wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Uriah Heep for sure especially the early stuff. |
mmm... undoubtedly Vibe, but I'm not completely convinced of that...
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Just because Ken Hensley's appeared as guest musician in Ayreon's latest album ("The Human Equation"), doesn't mean he's actually a prog musician or was one during his Uriah Heep era... maybe, just maybe, he's influenced by prog music, but to be perfectly fair to the other bands mentioned in here, he's not prog and neither is Uriah Heep... |
C'mon Demons and Wizards is not prog? I will eat my underwear if that is not prog. There are are so many elements of prog on that album as well as The previous ones as well as the Magician's Birthday.C'mon give your head a shake.
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 20:29 |
I can't vote, because all these bands have some proggy approach in some albums (or songs at least), but they aren't essentially prog. Beatles' Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road second face , The Who's Quadrophenia, Queen's first and second and Bohemian Rhapsody, etc. BTW, there are hundreds of bands and musicians with some proggy approachs, from metal to pop, and there are many originally prog bands with terrible non-prog albums (Genesis is the most clear example), but nobody could suggest send Genesis off from here.
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 18:28 |
well emdiar i didnt say ALL songs must be prog, i only meant that for a band to do one or two proggy tracks every now and then it doesnt make them prog. I think they are more proggy than the other bands here but they are not a progressive rock band. Anyway, the archives also includes Anathema and Savatage and they both have nothing to do with prog, so if they are here i think Queen deserves it too..
Me too, the first rock album i ever bought was Queen greatest hits back in 1990 when i was just 8
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 16:11 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Uriah Heep for sure especially the early stuff. |
mmm... undoubtedly Vibe, but I'm not completely convinced of that...
Now:
Just because Ken Hensley's appeared as guest musician in Ayreon's latest album ("The Human Equation"), doesn't mean he's actually a prog musician or was one during his Uriah Heep era... maybe, just maybe, he's influenced by prog music, but to be perfectly fair to the other bands mentioned in here, he's not prog and neither is Uriah Heep...
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 16:01 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit.
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Yuou definitely right Cert. "News of the world" (a very moody album btw), was the first QUEEN album I ever got and despite the forced comparisons I had to make regarding the bands I was listening at that time (Floyd, Genesis, ELP), I considered them as prog influenced band and started to increase my QUEEN personal collection. I even consider "The Game" as a proggy revealing album, it's got mostly all to convince yourself they indeed play prog rock. Subsequent releases like "Hot Space", "The Works" and "Made In Heaven" are great, but out of prog boundaries.
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emdiar
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 15:49 |
Hallo prog-people!
DoomHammer wrote:
I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums. |
Queen introduced my tender ten year old musical mind to the concept that a song need not be confined to a 3 minute pop format. Their complex arrangments of highly melodic song structures are pure prog and prepared my young ears for a life time of wanting more than the ordinary.
I'm not sure every song a band does really needs to be prog to make them worthy of the title. I could name many a song by the likes of Yes and Genesis (even from the early 70's) which, on their own, one would be hard pushed to call prog, but which in the context of their respective albums, nevertheless make the grade. Non of side one (of the vinyl pressing) of Meddle, by Pink Floyd, is prog with the possible exception of "One Of These Days", yet I doubt a poll entitled "Floyd, Prog or not?" would anything other than a one-sided affair.
Some of my fellow school boy prog heads back in '79/'80 considered ELO to be card carrying Progsters, and If you listen to "Out of the Blue" you may hear what they meant. They never quite did it for me but that double album is a good'un!
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:57 |
I voted none, although i think every band out of these made some prog songs but i think every rock band on earth did. Queen is the most Proggy band in here but they are not all proggy, part of their stuff only is, and not a whole album like Opeth for instance, just some scattered songs in some albums.
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:55 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit.
The first 2 are pure prog, with much fine experimentation in classical styles and tape loops.
Even later they produced some amazing stuff buried beneath the pop singles; the title track of "Innuendo" being a prime example. "Innuendo" was almost a return to form, with some superb epic writing in "The Show Must Go On", and some out-there stuff in "I'm Going Slightly Mad". It's more prog than anything Genesis produced in the late 1980s, that's for sure!
It's too easy to overlook Queen as a prog band because of the high proliferation of their hit singles, but most albums contain one or two amazing little gems.
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I totally agree. Moreover Steve Howe made a guest appearance in "Innuendo".
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 14:47 |
Queen, definitely. Everything they did up to "News Of the World" is prog, although "Sheer Heart Attack" is on dodgy territory, I'll admit.
The first 2 are pure prog, with much fine experimentation in classical styles and tape loops.
Even later they produced some amazing stuff buried beneath the pop singles; the title track of "Innuendo" being a prime example. "Innuendo" was almost a return to form, with some superb epic writing in "The Show Must Go On", and some out-there stuff in "I'm Going Slightly Mad". It's more prog than anything Genesis produced in the late 1980s, that's for sure!
It's too easy to overlook Queen as a prog band because of the high proliferation of their hit singles, but most albums contain one or two amazing little gems.
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:40 |
Hmm I thought of Uriah Heep, I love them but I don't thnk they are prog...even if Salisbury was but not enough of their stuff is qualified so I voted for "None of them..."
anathema...they use unsual time sigs but that's not enough...But I really liked their new album...but no prog, sorry...
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Hammar
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:10 |
None of them!!
I'm not familiar with the Uriah Heep discography, though...
Arcturus? Now way!! I like the band, particularly LA Masquerade, but not here..
Same with Anathema, I don't see why they are included. Even if they have made one of my favourite ballads (in 5/4...)
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 09:09 |
HI, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA.
My vote goes to Uriah Heep, too - a hard rock band, bordering on art rock, infused with some notable progressive leanings, specially their first six albums.
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richardh
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Posted: June 05 2004 at 04:21 |
Not sure.Uriah Heep have never been talked about as a major prog act although they tend to be universally ignored in any case.Would they be classed as 'prog metal' I wonder?
Also other bands to be considered:
Lone Star - very definetly 'prog metal'
Be Bop Deluxe - very proggy
The Tubes - where else can they go??
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