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The Doctor 
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 Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:50 |
 Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
I vote No. If the Netherlands won't have the guts to leave this road to ruin (as I fear), then the UK may grab the opportunity to show them the way. |
Out of idle curiocity, how many Europeans would vote on their own contries leaving the community.
[ps: I'm not interested in what Americans have to say - you left over 200 years ago and I don't care what you think] |
We're sorry. Please take us back. 
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Dean
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:36 |
someone_else wrote:
I vote No. If the Netherlands won't have the guts to leave this road to ruin (as I fear), then the UK may grab the opportunity to show them the way. |
Out of idle curiocity, how many Europeans would vote on their own contries leaving the community ?
[ps: I'm not interested in what Americans have to say - you left over 200 years ago and I don't care what you think]
pps: sorry - I missed off the eroteme. 
Edited by Dean - January 28 2013 at 09:35
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Dean
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:33 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
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Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends  ... |
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.  |
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
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The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:25 |
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Non.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:20 |
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
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Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends ... |
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish. |
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
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FWIW, I don't know if England's historical bad will and constant interference for European progress has been spurted from that first refusal of entry in the European club back in 63, but I'm not favourable to design a special English status, especially in light of Cameron's blackmail
Soooo, IN or OUT, fine by me ( but if you're in, then you accept it to the full extent >> like it or not, all the others are accepting thisl, whether some of these adjustments are somewhate detrimental to the inner balance of a member-state).... but no special status (they're enough a Trojan horse already as it is)... Unless you want one like Turkey or Morocco 
QUOTE=Blacksword]My instincts say no. But then what do I know? In fact what does anyone really know? It's a complex issue and to to get clear unbiased information from either camp is impossible. I like the idea of the Swiss position; have constructive trade agreements but remain completely autonomous in law making at every level. To be honest though, I think consulting the British people would be an exercise in futility. Many of us are still stuck on straight bananas and spuds by the pound..[/QUOTE]
Actually, I find Cameron particularly coward ( but then again, what to expect from a Tory, right??) for proposing the referrendum AFTER the next election.... If he's so intent on leaving, do the referendum before that date.... What he's actually doing here is taking hostage Europe and buying himself a second mandate at Downing Street by cajolling the ultra-rich tax-fiends like Mittal and the people who suck up to them
Edited by Sean Trane - January 28 2013 at 07:29
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:04 |
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It's a no from me.
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someone_else
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 06:56 |
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I vote No. If the Netherlands won't have the guts to leave this road to ruin (as I fear), then the UK may grab the opportunity to show them the way.
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Dean
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 06:25 |
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
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Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends ... |
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 05:29 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Get 'Em Out By Friday |
a lot of continentals are getting really pissed off at England's way of wanting only the positive and not the negatives... sitting on both sides of the barrier... and the constant attacks on the Euro by some in the city is like a Trojan horse
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
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Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends ... though if you say 86, it still keeps Greece, Spain and Potugal inside... which are still the troubled areas of today
Europe's grown too fast... the 90's additions (Austr, Swed, Finl) and have of course been very useful and fruitfull, but it's the '04 enlargement that was catastrophic... 10 countries in one shot was too much... OK when all countries are small erntities like Estonia or Slovenia... But Poland (40 M population) is quite a big bite to digest.... not to mention Romania (another 35M) three years later
Edited by Sean Trane - January 28 2013 at 05:30
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 25 2013 at 19:05 |
I thought this was going to be a poll about navels.  No opinion.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 25 2013 at 19:05
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 25 2013 at 17:44 |
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Remember everyone, THIS decides it!
The results of this poll...so make it count!
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Tapfret
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Posted: January 25 2013 at 17:37 |
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I am so glad this is not a bellybutton poll.
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CPicard
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 15:09 |
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 12:27 |
CPicard wrote:
The T wrote:
No. The entire population of the UK should be moved to Greenland and eventually to Canada, then Arizona and New Mexico. Depopulate the territory and give it to the French. In turn, give France to Germany. All solved. |
But, then, who would have Germany? The Polish? The Czech? The Danes? The Swiss??? |
No. The British would live in NorthAmerica, thus uniting English-speaking countries (we'll take care of Australia, NZ and others soon); the French would finally be an island, and the Germans will own half the continent. All solved.
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CPicard
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 04:30 |
The T wrote:
No. The entire population of the UK should be moved to Greenland and eventually to Canada, then Arizona and New Mexico. Depopulate the territory and give it to the French. In turn, give France to Germany. All solved. |
But, then, who would have Germany? The Polish? The Czech? The Danes? The Swiss???
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Dean
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 02:11 |
Oww... I was expecting this Poll to be about belly buttons.
Either way: In.
We should take a leaf out of the French book and consider designating all UK citizens who have a garden, allotment, window box or have potted herbs dying on their kitchen window sills (small holdings) and all those who keep pets (livestock) as farmers.
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 24 2013 at 01:53 |
Atavachron wrote:
I really don't know what the prevailing British opine is-- I sense disapproval, and the fact that I think the US should stay united doesn't seem quite relevant. In other words I have nothing to say.
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A recent poll in the UK suggests that the majority want to stay in the EU. Polls are not always 'scientific' though. I don't pay much attention to them.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:38 |
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I really don't know what the prevailing British opine is-- I sense disapproval, and the fact that I think the US should stay united doesn't seem quite relevant. In other words I have nothing to say.
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The T
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:29 |
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No. The entire population of the UK should be moved to Greenland and eventually to Canada, then Arizona and New Mexico. Depopulate the territory and give it to the French. In turn, give France to Germany. All solved.
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infocat
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:23 |
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Will Caledonia rise again?
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