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Retroventuremod 
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 Posted: July 20 2005 at 00:38 |
 Fearless wrote:
I had no idea so many proggers (mostly younger
one's) don't get high. I thought at least some of us would be
'potheads'. Of course there could be some around choosing not to
respond. But mostly, i am very proud.....any time someone can
ENJOY THE MUSIC, without 'help' and actually listen to the powerful
lyrics/messages, it's a wonderful thing (Gatot, Felona, Danbo,
Trouserpress... ).
I think it is sad when older people, who are supposed to be wise, and
set a good example, urge younger people to do drugs (it can be in good
fun, but this is how how addictions start, and peoples lives can get
screwed up....i'm sure many of you know someone who has died resulting
from drugs/alchohol.). This is why society is in the sh*tter these
days..."drinking underage and f**king like rabbits.", as Stonebeard put
it in another thread. Prog = the antidrug   |
What are you talking about? antidrug my arse. I saw an
interview of Yes, where Jon Anderson was speaking where they were
talking about a time they had just gotten high or something, then they
saw Paul McCartney, and Paul said "I just did acid yesterday" So Jon
said they all went and did some acid, cos Paul had done it, so they
felt they had to do it to.
But your right, I am very surprised, about the lack of young proggers and their lack of drug intake.
PS, my original question was only on pot, who dies from pot? Its impossible.
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I asked the Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
They call me the seeker
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Fearless
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Posted: July 20 2005 at 00:07 |
I had no idea so many proggers (mostly younger one's) don't get high. I thought at least some of us would be 'potheads'. Of course there could be some around choosing not to respond. But mostly, i am very proud.....any time someone can ENJOY THE MUSIC, without 'help' and actually listen to the powerful lyrics/messages, it's a wonderful thing (Gatot, Felona, Danbo, Trouserpress... ). I think it is sad when older people, who are supposed to be wise, and set a good example, urge younger people to do drugs (it can be in good fun, but this is how how addictions start, and peoples lives can get screwed up....i'm sure many of you know someone who has died resulting from drugs/alchohol.). This is why society is in the sh*tter these days..."drinking underage and f**king like rabbits.", as Stonebeard put it in another thread. Prog = the antidrug
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 23:32 |
Prog-Brazil wrote:
video vertigo wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
iguana wrote:
yer average prog rock fan:
predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…
anything else anyone?
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yea thats me
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me too, exactly 
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That's me too !!!
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A flawless dicription of me.
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ben_
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 13:23 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Retroventuremod wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the
70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the
kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of
this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan
there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy
the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album
on in the background, and what's wrong with that?
You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out!
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I agree, there are a lot of young, very
serious people on this board. Those of you in uni/college, like
me, don't you realise these will be the most fun years of your lives?
Don't ruin it by never having fun, and only studying.
Universities are all about having a laugh, drinking a few beers,
smoking a doob with your mates, rocking out at a party or bars, going
to class at 9am hungover.
balance is bliss. lol
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I'm not saying that copious beers and shots haven't been consumed
(and they are, often) but it has no connection with my enjoyment of
music. I've never understood how musicians play under the
influence. my chops are ruined as soon as the consumption begins! |
Well when the audience is compleatly off their tits as well they wont
notice, and just think your being expermental, which is my excuse when
I compleatly mess up.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 11:18 |
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I found my love for PROGRESSIVE ROCK well before I even knew about drugs of any kind. Just a kid. I didn't get too heavily into marijuana anyway, but music, in general, has always had a euphoric effect on me without needed any other sources. Music is my drug of choice, although a nice libation adds a certain "rightness" to any listening session.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 07:18 |
Retroventuremod wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I
was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and
generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're
young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but
as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background.
I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd
or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?
You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out! |
I agree, there are a lot of young, very serious people on this
board. Those of you in uni/college, like me, don't you realise
these will be the most fun years of your lives? Don't ruin it by never
having fun, and only studying. Universities are all about having
a laugh, drinking a few beers, smoking a doob with your mates, rocking
out at a party or bars, going to class at 9am hungover.
balance is bliss. lol
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What on earth makes you think I don't have fun just 'cause I don't do
drugs? I've tried drugs many-a-time and I found the "fun" factor to be
consiberably low. Sorry, but it's not for everyone. I've nothing
against drugs, and I actually support the legalisation of most drugs.
Just 'cause I don't personally enjoy abusing drugs doesn't mean I feel
no one else should. To suggest that no drugs = no fun is a pathetic
generalisation.
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Prog-Brazil
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Joined: January 07 2005
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 07:15 |
video vertigo wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
iguana wrote:
yer average prog rock fan:
predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…
anything else anyone?
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yea thats me
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me too, exactly
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That's me too !!!
Edited by Prog-Brazil
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Let the sunshine in
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video vertigo
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Joined: September 17 2004
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 23:54 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
iguana wrote:
yer average prog rock fan:
predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…
anything else anyone?
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yea thats me
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me too, exactly
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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video vertigo
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 23:51 |
Bilek wrote:
Hail you, Gatot and Felona! I thought people like you vanished:)
I myself have never touched drugs, even cigarette, and alcohol since my childhood (yeah, the last time I drank alcohol -intentionally- was when I was 17!) and I raised in a muslim society, like gatot; and to your surprise, I am a church going christian! (Thankfully there are people like me: wakeman?!?!?)
Despite the "hippy" image, I believe most proggers here have respected jobs (at least make enough money to buy thousands of albums ) and I am a translator. Well, my money is not enough for thousand albums, sigh . Thankfully we have MP3's here.
I believe there's no stereotype of a progger, at least for the fact that it ambodies many different styles, from jazz to classical, from metal to experimental/electronic!
another fact: NetsNJfan has a point about Yes, just inspect their lifestyles!! (and consider Wakeman contrary to the rest, he is the christian one!!!!!!) Videovertigo took this further: actually indie/punks should have been classified so. Yet, we know that there are drug influenced acts, at least in the beginning of prog: does Timothy Leary suggest anything!? I just love the music produced, no matter how it came out; Light My Fire is my all time favorite Doors track, and it couldn't have come that way if it weren't for the fact that they were high!!!!
don't spend much time on prototypes, just enjoy the music! keep on proggin'
PS: if there are other christians among you, please send me a private post. I would like to meet people of my kind!
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yes I am christian, but I don't believe that really changes anything (it should though) there are druggy christians as well as non-christians. A lot of people are two faced.
Also my other Christian friends don't approve of my music I guess if its not on a christian record label its a sin to listen to. One of the reasons I don't like mainstream religion its just a business/coporation.
I like to think Jesus would listen to prog though.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 16:43 |
Retroventuremod wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?
You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out!
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I agree, there are a lot of young, very serious people on this board. Those of you in uni/college, like me, don't you realise these will be the most fun years of your lives? Don't ruin it by never having fun, and only studying. Universities are all about having a laugh, drinking a few beers, smoking a doob with your mates, rocking out at a party or bars, going to class at 9am hungover.
balance is bliss. lol
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I'm not saying that copious beers and shots haven't been consumed (and they are, often) but it has no connection with my enjoyment of music. I've never understood how musicians play under the influence. my chops are ruined as soon as the consumption begins!
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Retroventuremod
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:50 |
Syzygy wrote:
What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I
was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and
generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're
young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but
as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background.
I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd
or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?
You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out! |
I agree, there are a lot of young, very serious people on this
board. Those of you in uni/college, like me, don't you realise
these will be the most fun years of your lives? Don't ruin it by never
having fun, and only studying. Universities are all about having
a laugh, drinking a few beers, smoking a doob with your mates, rocking
out at a party or bars, going to class at 9am hungover.
balance is bliss. lol
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I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked the Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
They call me the seeker
THE WHO!
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Retroventuremod
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:42 |
DavidInsabella wrote:
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Only the prog fans who aren't intelligent enough to open their minds smoke weed to understand the music.
Oh, you said you do? [/QUOTE]
HARHARHAR
yeah, there is nothing wrong with it.
Its relaxing, and also i CAN understand (and open my mind to) the music
without it, it just makes it more enjoyable, believe me I listen to
prog all the time, but i do always find its interesting to listen to
while stoned. which i havent done much at all now that uni's out lol
Oh and to the moslems on the board - what about smoking shiesha(?) in a hookah to relax, and listen to prog - thats fun too.
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I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked the Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
They call me the seeker
THE WHO!
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:15 |
Poxx wrote:
While the amount of drugs consumed by the youth, may have decreased since the 70's, stupidity has increased exponentially to such a degree that it is fashionable. Turn on the TV to be fully convinced.
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but have prog fans ever really concerned themselves with what is fashionable? certainly not, and the same still holds true (for the most part....)
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Poxx
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:55 |
While the amount of drugs consumed by the youth, may have decreased since the 70's, stupidity has increased exponentially to such a degree that it is fashionable. Turn on the TV to be fully convinced.
Edited by Poxx
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Syzygy
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:38 |
What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?
You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out!
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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DavidInsabella
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 11:28 |
Retroventuremod wrote:
While in uni, doing a history essay, I decided to search for a book on prog rock in the library, to my amazement I found one called Rocking the Classics: Progressive Rock and the Counterculture, by Edward Macan.
Anyway, it was a very interesting book, about prog rocks history, bands, styles, fans etc.
My question on the prog rock fan (esp. 70s fans), is that he labels them as people who if they arent at the concerts, they are in their friends apartment listening to the albums, smoking pot. Do you think this is true, (I do when it comes to me lol, but i only recently got into prog a year ago), or is this a stereotype?
I would be interested in some responses, and hey, even what you listen to if this is true for you- i opt for close to the edge usually, oh and cream- disraeli gears (yes i know its not prog), and i think id go for traffic - Mr Fantasy
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Only the prog fans who aren't intelligent enough to open their minds smoke weed to understand the music.
Oh, you said you do?
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Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 11:22 |
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I don't listen to prog at friend's houses as I have no proggy friends in the "real world".
I don't do drugs either.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 10:48 |
iguana wrote:
yer average prog rock fan:
predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…
anything else anyone?
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yea thats me
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 10:06 |
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I think the drug thing is largely untrue this day in age. As far as the listening to albums, going to concerts stereotype, I think this applies to fans of really any kind of underground/unpopular genre, be it prog or punk or indie or whatever. Everyone comes together in the name of appreciating music..... and making fun of the emo kids.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 08:08 |
Sociologically speaking, progressive music was bought and heard (i.e. as albums and gigs) by the middle class (that is here originally in the UK). It was the music played by those who were continuing their education beyond the age of 16, therefore there were a lot of university and college undergraduates. A lot of these would have had some music in their education, especially serious music and possibly grown to appreciate that music could be complex and enjoyable, e.g. something that could intellectually rewarding, rather once played could be forgotten until heard on the radio the next time. Prog lasted longer than the 2min 30 seconds average of a pop song as well as being far more complex wrt structure. The fans were perhaps better off (or their parents!) and could afford albums, to drop out, get dope without being busted too many times. As written on another thread, there was a rough class separation between popular music fans, here the hippies (a term used in a very broad sense) and the skinheads - the latter liked simpler music, were into reggae before most othe rpeople - especially the prog fans (NOTE: not until the Police produced their so-called regatta de blac- blue eyed reggae - did the rock audiencve take that on board - and of course Rush took up much of the regatta de blanc style when Police folded). Prog music was new and radical and therefore something that related well to the so-called revolutional attitudes and the new freedoms which younger people demanded i and in some way obtained at that time. Toss inthe key words : 60's and society, into Amazon (in my case Amazon.UK's) search engine and dozens of books appear on the subject.
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