rogerthat wrote: Sumdeus wrote: I like how you snuck in that "metalhead" at the end like it's some terrible insult :P Just teasing him.   Some metalheads I've met have a massive superiority complex and go around ridiculing other's tastes.   It's very important for them to pwn others to oblivion and never admit to the same themselves.  One 'homegrown' metalhead ridiculed my fondness for ghazal maestro Ghulam Ali and I paid him back by telling him off for listening to, for heaven's sake, Bryan Adams.   Again, height of contradictions, eternally oblivious to one's own choices.

I'm one of those rare prog/metalheads that doesn't have a superiority complex unlike you guys, I admit my faults

I find King Crimson far more satisfying. I used to be big on Rush long ago, but mostly lost interest in the band.  I still like some Rush, and when I hear Rush on the radio I don't turn it off (not that I listen to much radio music any more).  Caress of Steel is my favourite Rush album, I think, but it was Hemispheres and Moving Pictures that made me once fall-in love with the band (had lots of good times with that music in high school).  King Crimson was quite a late discovery -- I've only known the band for about ten years.  Hearing "21st Century Schizoid Man" played an important part in my resurgent interest in Prog and rock generally (as I'd gone off rock music for quite a few years -- I was more into classical, jazz, and electronic music).  My favourite albums by KC are Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Lizard. Islands is another favourite.  I dodn't really listen to much King Crison or Rush any longer, but King Crimson can still hold my interest well, and I still have more that I'd like to explore by the band.

While, I don't really like these "which is better?" topics, I can safely say that King Crimson is better for me.  Actually, I really do think KC better, but it's all just opinion.  Rush has tended to strike me as rather more superficial -- not that I consider either really deep or harmonically complex (and, trios like with chamber music certainly can have very satisfying harmonies, but Rush is very limited by the arranh=gements they can pull off unless employing studio trickery. Ggeddy Lee plays keyboards, of course, and a piano  can create great harmonies on its own).  I do think Rush might have been better if they took on more musicians to work with -- give them a wider musical palette to work with.

Alitare wrote: I hate Rush and almost love King Crimson. I don't like everything they did - nor can I tolerate all of it, but there's not a single sound Rush ever made that excited me as much as 21st Century Schizoid man or Fallen Angel.

 I could understand 21st Century Schizoid Man but Fallen Angel

I like how you snuck in that "metalhead" at the end like it's some terrible insult :P

Sumdeus wrote: the contradiction is originally you brought up how Rush have such higher ratings on PA as if that is a testament of their quality, and when someone brought up that In The Court.. and Red are in the PA top 10, you replied that "they don't deserve to be there". so pretty much you're contradicting yourself because when Rush do well with PA ratings it's because they're so good but when KC do it's because they're overrated and don't deserve to be there

that makes sense, i have brain farts sometimes

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music more. You guys might say oh it's because they're more accessible(I don't think that that matters because Prog Rock is still pretty darn complex and the average person doesn't understand it) but the people's overall opinion matters most and they have rated Rush music a little bit better. Rush's music can stand with any King Crimson record, believe that "Hold that red star emblem so proudly high in hand" Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog. ITCOTCK and Red album are in the PA top 10, but no Rush album is.   You can't turn around now and say that's because this site has a huge bunch of KC fanboys (and absolutely nothing to do with how good the albums might be), that's just bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog.  Yeah but Red and In The Court don't really deserve to be there in my opinion, you are right in the end it's all prog Height of contradictions.   You can't cite the popularity of Rush in one instance and then dismiss the ratings of KC albums in the other.  It's one thing to have your opinion on music and another to assault that of others.

where are the contradictions it's all stats and ratings, I'm not assaulting anyone here or am I??

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music more. You guys might say oh it's because they're more accessible(I don't think that that matters because Prog Rock is still pretty darn complex and the average person doesn't understand it) but the people's overall opinion matters most and they have rated Rush music a little bit better. Rush's music can stand with any King Crimson record, believe that "Hold that red star emblem so proudly high in hand" Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog. ITCOTCK and Red album are in the PA top 10, but no Rush album is.   You can't turn around now and say that's because this site has a huge bunch of KC fanboys (and absolutely nothing to do with how good the albums might be), that's just bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog.  Yeah but Red and In The Court don't really deserve to be there in my opinion, you are right in the end it's all prog

Height of contradictions.   You can't cite the popularity of Rush in one instance and then dismiss the ratings of KC albums in the other.  It's one thing to have your opinion on music and another to assault that of others. 

mister nobody wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: R.U.S.Hmore music to headbang to and not much ambience. I respect Crimson don't get me wrong but how many great albums does Rush have:Caress of Steel, 2112, A Farewell To Kings, Hemispheres,practically everything up to Hold Your Fire is gold to me. What does Crimson have that is perfect: Nothing Yeah I said it nothing they're just average If the criteria is the same as for Rush, then we have: In the Court of the Crimson King Lizard Islands Larks' Tongues in Aspic Starless and Bible Black Red Discipline The ConstruKction of Light (yes I said it) The Power to Believe practically everything from in the court to the power to believe is gold to me (but these ones listed are gold gold gold). Eh?

Where's in the Wake, eh??

I love To Be Over

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Kati wrote: Oh wow no doubt, listen to this, no comparison really, to the court of the crimson KIIIIIINNNGGGGGG aaahhhh aaah ahhhh In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson [HQ Sound] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNantlznCA   No comparison check this out, underrated as heck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX63RbqZr8A