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verslibre
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 13:14 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Asia, rubble from the rising of prog rock. |
richardh wrote:
My favourite Asia track is probably Cutting It Fine from the debut. Thats for me a great ensemble peice and I simply don't care whether its ''prog'' or not. |
I agree, best song on the album.
Slartibartfast wrote:
I think the nickname of Nausia is entirely fitting. If you got into them at the time and still like them there is a high naustalgia factor going on. Same with GTR, etc. It was the heat of the vomit... |
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 09:44 |
Their AOR however, even if not prog, isn't so bad..
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prog4evr
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Posted: January 09 2012 at 23:09 |
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Well said. A real waste of talent by Steve Howe, Carl Palmer, and John Wetton (and, then, even Greg Lake when he replaced Wetton)...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 09 2012 at 15:42 |
I think the nickname of Nausia is entirely fitting. If you got into them at the time and still like them there is a high naustalgia factor going on. Same with GTR, etc. It was the heat of the vomit...
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 09 2012 at 15:53
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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richardh
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Posted: January 09 2012 at 14:49 |
spknoevl wrote:
Never really cared for Asia, especially after their debut release. They sounded like a pop band masquerading as a prog band. As much as I liked Wetton, I preferred his work in KC and UK far more.
I think Asia was designed by Wetton to be an attempt to become a more commercially acceptable version of what UK had tried to be. The need to include Howe and Palmer probaby had more to do with their name recognition than any other factor and both sounded badly dated on the recordings. |
Wetton was pretty honest about his intentions. He said that he would write a 3 minute song and Eddie Jobson would turn it into an epic (which not what he wanted). Asia was never intended to be a prog band and Carl Palmer also was very keen to put progessive rock behind him.
As for Howe I think he sort of got caught up in and perhaps needed a band with Yes not an option at the time. He was the first of the original line up to jump ship after falling out with Wetton over the bands direction.Downes was never really a 'progger' as such despite a brief dalliance with Yes.
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lucas
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Posted: January 09 2012 at 12:52 |
I still don't understand why they are in PA.
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spknoevl
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Posted: January 09 2012 at 10:30 |
Never really cared for Asia, especially after their debut release. They sounded like a pop band masquerading as a prog band. As much as I liked Wetton, I preferred his work in KC and UK far more.
I think Asia was designed by Wetton to be an attempt to become a more commercially acceptable version of what UK had tried to be. The need to include Howe and Palmer probaby had more to do with their name recognition than any other factor and both sounded badly dated on the recordings.
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: December 08 2011 at 19:24 |
Always loved them, also more that Wetton's previus group UK..
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richardh
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Posted: December 02 2011 at 14:44 |
Dellinger wrote:
I did find Asia to be rather a dissapointment, and really would have liked them to do something else. The music doesn't really bother me, and they have a few songs I really like a lot, but indeed I would have liked to listen to a true prog masterpiece from them. However, the one song that came close enough to prog for me is "Parallel Worlds / Deja / Vortex"... or something like that, from Phoenix... I might say I'm glad Asia existed only because of that song (well, it's actually a good pop song followed by a great instrumental passage, but that was good enough for me, I really love that song). |
Its an unusual track as it has two instrumental passages. The first one has Carl Palmer doing some trademark fastfootwork on the twin bass drums and then Howe takes over for the last bit (slightly reminiscent of the instrumental section of Layla in mood). This is the kind of thing Asia do best I think. They never wanted to be a full blown prog band and made that clear from the beginning. This was something that came mainly from Wetton and lead to some friction between him and Howe if I understand correctly. Asia could be seen as a waste of prog talent but individually they had already done it with their previous groups and probably reasoned it would have been pointless and self defeating to try and repeat all that again.
My favourite Asia track is probably Cutting It Fine from the debut. Thats for me a great ensemble peice and I simply don't care whether its ''prog'' or not.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 19:05 |
Asia, rubble from the rising of prog rock.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Evolver
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 17:18 |
A band that was far less than the sum of it's parts.
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lazland
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 15:14 |
andrewskirooh wrote:
I agree that it's interesting to see that although the members by themselves are so talented and with the previous groups that they contributed to, the "chemistry" within the "super-group" just isn't quite there....fell quite short of the expectations of many..I'm sure. I remember being quite disappointed when Asia's 1st album came out because I was so convinced that their sound or direction was going to be reminiscent of UK. I mean, look at the line-up and the past work of these guys...how could it not? My main opinion on hearing 'Heat Of The Moment' ? was....they sold out...I can't believe it!
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An equally valid alternative view, of course, and one that I hold to, is that they merely sold a lot of records, which is not the same thing as selling out
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andrewskirooh
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 15:03 |
I agree that it's interesting to see that although the members by themselves are so talented and with the previous groups that they contributed to, the "chemistry" within the "super-group" just isn't quite there....fell quite short of the expectations of many..I'm sure. I remember being quite disappointed when Asia's 1st album came out because I was so convinced that their sound or direction was going to be reminiscent of UK. I mean, look at the line-up and the past work of these guys...how could it not? My main opinion on hearing 'Heat Of The Moment' ? was....they sold out...I can't believe it!
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jammun
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 11:01 |
C'mon, we had high expectations when we saw the makeup of the group. Our expectations were not met in that sense. Still a pretty good band. I mean, what was the competition at the time? I have the Anthologia CD. I should review it. It's not as bad a some here think. Heat of the Moment is a fine song, certainly ranking up there with Genesis' output at the time.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 09:10 |
lucas wrote:
CPicard wrote:
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess?
Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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re-phrasing my opinion :
Asia is one of the worst bands ever. |
Unless restating is rephrasing you have just repeated yourself.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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lucas
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 05:08 |
CPicard wrote:
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess?
Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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re-phrasing my opinion :
Asia is one of the worst bands ever.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 18:51 |
I did find Asia to be rather a dissapointment, and really would have liked them to do something else. The music doesn't really bother me, and they have a few songs I really like a lot, but indeed I would have liked to listen to a true prog masterpiece from them. However, the one song that came close enough to prog for me is "Parallel Worlds / Deja / Vortex"... or something like that, from Phoenix... I might say I'm glad Asia existed only because of that song (well, it's actually a good pop song followed by a great instrumental passage, but that was good enough for me, I really love that song).
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CPicard
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 05:53 |
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess? Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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lucas
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 14:59 |
one of the worse bands ever.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 12:11 |
rogerthat wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.
Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.
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I think the all star concept in jazz is more relevant than 'supergroups' in rock. Barring ELP and UK, supergroups have rarely done anything I found amazing. I guess you could sort of call National Health a supergroup and they were very good too.
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Well, the jazz comparison in an interesting one. Yes, I think you're right.
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