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Points: 493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 23:09
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

but metallica  not prog ....heavy metal.

go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.

I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....

See my thread in non-prog music about the history of metal. I hadn't thought that Hendrix was metal, but I've been told otherwise by many of the older (err... more experienced) members here. In fact, High Tide (1968) seem to be the first prog metal band.



Hendrix? Metal? Not in my book.


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Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

IMO metallica's only prog tunes - (excluding the crap post black album albums)

anaesthesia (pulling teeth) - cmon, its a bass solo!
the call of ktulu
orion
damage inc
master of puppets
and justice for all
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How can you call Damage Inc prog??  It's thrash song through and through.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Let me recap ... the other guy complained about odd signatures and signature changes, and that they don't make something prog. Now you come along and say that it isn't prog, because there's not enough of them ...

BTW: 4/4 doesn't may that something is easy to play. Ask Meshuggah.



I don't think I said that at all about "not enough" odd time signatures.  I wouldn't call "Them Bones" by Alice In Chains in 7/8 progressive at all.

Also, I didn't say 4/4 was necessarily easy.  I only said Master of Puppets was largely in 4/4.  Reading comprehension...

Meshuggah plays polyrhythms.  Metallica does not.  I mastered Metallica's drum parts when I was 15.  Almost 15 years later, I am scared of Meshuggah.
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Points: 31644 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 20:57
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

It's the first prog metal album

I have to diagree with you. Slayer's "Hell Awaits" came out one year earlier than Master Of Puppets, and that album is very progressive and complex at times. But i think "And Justice For all" is even more progressive than both.

P.S.- Master of Puppets is an awesome album
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Master Of Puppets is great, a classic, but I prefer ...And Justice For All. It's just too bad the bass is mixed completely off the album.
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Originally posted by bamba bamba wrote:

listen you newbie "decypher" they really suck
who cares anyway jajaja



what is a 'newbie'? what would it change if I weren't one (if I am one, hm, probably, it's beneath my sceen name?!)? if it would change something - do you suggest that I say hello to you when I reached about 112 postings?

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I agree to the second part

btw. I was joking. if at all then maybe ...and justice for all. I don't care anyway, but it seems to be important to some to categorize.


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Early Metallica can be catagorized as thrash metal as a whole - Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and And Justice For All.  After those albums, it all went downhill for Metallica.  I agree with the posters who say that Metallica may have some individual prog-metal tunes, but I wouldn't overall catagorize them as prog-metal, nor place an entire album in the prog-metal catagory.

Metallica had so much potential - those first 4 albums are among my favorites of any band.
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Master of Puppets is NOT prog metal.And Justice for All is prog metal IMHO.


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whatttt the hell that horrible metal sound. i like a little orion but "no way(guey no seas)" that can be called prog at all  listen you newbie "decypher" they really suck
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they have to be prog:



yours,
I like this better...
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http://www.campchaos.com/show.php?iID=233 

Theres my favourite, metallica milionaire..... Move around the page to find more.. Any metallica anti-fan will enjoy this (I loved it)



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Okay, in the days of my youth I liked very much of Master of Puppets, but never thinked of it in a prog style... Metallica was really innovative among the others metal bands, but this is what they really are: A METAL BAND (don't matter if thrash or alternative metal, in actual days).

If anyone ask to James Hetfield if he likes prog rock, probably he will give a kick in your ass !!! In the disc of covers the band recorded they didn't make any version of prog songs. Only a B.O.C. song (Astronomy) that take a few proximity with prog music.
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Who cares if they're prog or not, it's a sweet album, enjoy it.
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:47
You don't know the anti - metallica napster movies??!!!!.. Damn waait I have to find the link....
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(That refers to Ed_The_Dead's post)
I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Points: 382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:45

Hehehe...I assume thats a reference to the Metallica of today...

Yep, they're mindless corporate whores now. Such a shame good bands have to go out on a bad note (a la Genesis).
I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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IMO metallica's only prog tunes - (excluding the crap post black album albums)

anaesthesia (pulling teeth) - cmon, its a bass solo!
the call of ktulu
orion
damage inc
master of puppets
and justice for all
one
to live is to die

IMO megadeth have much more prog leanings. Neither bands i would class as pure prog metal but they have influenced bands like dream theater
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:35

Money gooooood!!!! Napster baaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!

Thinking baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!! Beer gooooooooood!!!!!

 
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Points: 21578 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:31
Originally posted by Dream Theater Dream Theater wrote:

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.

Dream Theater = Not flexible.



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Points: 2188 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:29
Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Metallica=non prog.
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