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Posted: April 17 2011 at 09:43
It's hard to see past The Doors, one of most important and influential bands in rock. Deep Purple were more followers than leaders, but were among the best musicians of their time. But at the end of the day, it's the concept that counts the most. Actors are important, but never as important as the play.
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 11:15
Snow Dog wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
Zeppelin didn't have lineup changes so you might as well just say sabbath.
Actually, Sabbath had plenty of line up changes proportionate to the number of albums they made but the quintessential line up had a long innings unlike DP Mark II.
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:34
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 07:27
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I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
I much prefer the Doors, both as a unit, and in originality. But I would have to concede that in pure technical terms, the musicians in Deep Purple are superior as far as the drums and guitar are concerned. I wouldn't like to rate Manzarek ahead of Lord, but he certainly is at least his equal, and does a far more difficult job than Lord ever had to do, so that one's open to question.
But as I said earlier, Densmore and Kreiger were both unique in the way they played and the artistry they brought to that table. I don't believe that Paice or Blackmore could have done that job in as good a way, though musicians as competent as those two would always do a great job.
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 00:43
jaybird77 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
I would say Densmore and Manzarek are both excellent. I don't really put Krieger in the same league as Blackmore though. Would be interesting to hear BF's take on that.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 22:31
BaldFriede wrote:
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 20:34
If we compare the initial albums, which I did, well then The Doors win. There's nothing after LA Woman to even consider. It's all garbage. DP on the other hand kept on Space Truckin all night long.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 13:32
You know really two different comparisons. If you compare the 60's output I have to go with the Doors as they had much more adventurous music in that period Deep Purple was solid but nothing special but Deep Purple became a much better band during their 1970-74 period. So really I think it is wash.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 12:22
Deep Purple for me, not really a big fan of Doors though I like a few songs. By the way, Deep Purple were one of the most important influences on metal music and hard rock and that they shared the same era as Led Zep, The Who and Sabbath should not, as it unjustly does, lead to their being underestimated. I don't know when or rather whether In Rock will earn its rightful place among pioneering metal albums.
With that said, I do have a gripe that a band of their talent and firepower became rather AC DC like. They could and ought to have done so much more. In all seriousness, if you have heard a couple or more of the important DP albums, you've heard all you need to know about their style and the rest is for the fans.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 02:20
Why anybody don´t continue a comparison of another Doors´ and Purple´s albums?
(I cannot make it because I don´t know last three Doors´ studio and no live ones.)
Other Voices vs. Who Do We Think We Are?
Full Circle vs. Burn?
An American Prayer vs. Stormbringer?
Absolutely Live vs. Concerto For Group And Orchestra?
Alive, She Cried vs. Made In Japan?
Live At The Hollywood Bowl vs. Made In Europe?
In Concert vs. Last Concert In Japan?
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 02:04
Logan wrote:
richardh wrote:
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richardh wrote:
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well, I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog length. Your taste really is weird.
I suspect the opposite is true and that my taste is rather boring and safe. Never really got The Doors and part of the problem is that there are only about 4 songs of theirs that I'm familiar with:
Light My Fire
Riders On The Storm
City At Night
People Are Strange
Light My Fire is okay I admit. I probably would keep the radio on for that one. Riders gets loads of praise yet Morrison's voice just sounds 'shot' to me and most of the song is Manzarek tinkling away on a piano and the sound of rain in the background.
City At Night gets load of play on Planet Rock but I find it just very dull.
People Are Strange - well that sums me up I guess
I just find The Doors very underwelming in general and because I only ever hear the same 4 songs on the radio ,makes me wonder why that are considered to be so great in the grand scheme of things.
I wonder if you ever skipped parts of Apocalypse Now due to The End?
I do have the flim on DVD which I like.In the context of a film its okay. I also enjoyed Trainspotting which wasn't spoilt by Iggy Pop either.
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 20:24
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Shades of DP vs. The Doors Doors win. Shades of is a decent enough album, but really, Hush better than Light My Fire? Ain't happenin'.
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Well, the long version of the song the Doors win by 10k miles ... the AM version of the song at some 2 minutes plus ... would probably give DP a slight nudge ... in the butt!
Book of Taliesyn vs. Strange Days Really early instance of "well the first album was good, let's do it again", in the case of The Doors. Really early instance of "well we wrote a couple good songs but need some filler, why not go with a Neil Diamond song", in the case of DP. Doors win.
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Wow ... someone that has actually heard the albums! ... I'm enjoying this.
In Rock vs. The Soft Parade. Worst Doors album vs. one of the finest rock albums ever made. It's a fact, Mt. Rushmore-esquly carve in pure stone, In Rock rules, and is the best of either bands output.
The Soft Parade is the one album that is ... very hard to get on with ... but it is one of the most important ones ... because The Doors makes a lot more sense after you are capable of making sense of the title piece and what it is about ... in the end, this is what the Doors is about ... but few people are capable of getting past poetry, a very harsh scream, and then ... the best part of the trip ... and the three of htese on the same breath and piece is ... down right scary and something that most people are not gonna deal with and going to listen to Jenny got a gun, or Hush hush, or Smoke on the Water ... is much easier and fun ... than the other content ... that you and most of us ... have absolutely no idea what the hell it is all about, and neither do the other three Doors members, and neither is anyone being strong enough to discuss the poetry and its value and continuity and even possible conceptual nature.
Basically, we ear something like this ... and we turn it off ... because it is scary and weird ... but some folks will go listen to Comus instead! ... like that's any different or worse! Or better!
Machine Head vs. L.A. Woman
Not even close ... Riders on the Storm and the title song alone are worth it.
And I'm not sure that progressive and other music is all about the "riff" makes it better or more important. Smoke On The Water is a nice radio song ... but it stops there ... it has nothing else of value whatsoever. Lyrically unimportant on top of it!
With all due respect. in my book, DP was just a radio, rock music band. I do think, and you might see the recent film done on The Doors, that there was more to the band than just a bunch of songs for the radio. As Jim once screamed ... has this dream stopped .... ? ... drumm rolll ... crash ... scream ... music! ... and Deep Purple ... were never that important with anything they did in my book. Not even interesting artistically ... but yes, they were very well known and people loved them ... and they had a few hits and sold well!
Wow ... sales count! and the more folks that have heard it the more some think it was good ... and it's not necessarily true, I don't think.
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 19:31
This is actually kind of fun. So let's make it simple, album by album, with the understanding that the release dates don't necessarily sync up. Ladies and Gentlemen, the quick and dirty DP vs. The Doors beatdown.
Shades of DP vs. The Doors Doors win. Shades of is a decent enough album, but really, Hush better than Light My Fire? Ain't happenin'.
Book of Taliesyn vs. Strange Days Really early instance of "well the first album was good, let's do it again", in the case of The Doors. Really early instance of "well we wrote a couple good songs but need some filler, why not go with a Neil Diamond song", in the case of DP. Doors win.
Deep Purple vs. Waiting for the Sun Now here it gets interesting. The first properly decent DP album, and the first actually thought out The Doors album. I'll admit, I'm a sucker for Waiting For the Sun, which is The Doors finest album. No one here gets out alive.
So here were are mid-point, Doors up 3-0. I'm not talking about instrumental virtuosity, just looking at how good are the albums.
In Rock vs. The Soft Parade. Worst Doors album vs. one of the finest rock albums ever made. It's a fact, Mt. Rushmore-esquly carve in pure stone, In Rock rules, and is the best of either bands output.
Fireball vs. Morrison Hotel. Good comeback album for The Doors. Bad follow up album for DP. I always liked Peace Frog. Call it a tie.
Which leaves...
Machine Head vs. L.A. Woman
Well for DP we finally get the true follow up to In Rock. Riff city. I'm not sure anyone still extant on the plant does not know the Smoke on the Water riff. Plus there's Lazy, Space Truckin', et. al. However, L.A. Woman's a nice and perhaps even fitting segue into oblivion for The Doors. These are both fine pieces of music, each with their own aura. Let's call it another tie.
Final tally is:
DP: 1 win, 3 loss, 2 tie Doors: 3 win, 1 loss, 2 tie
There ya go, simple as pie.
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:40
iluvmarillion wrote:
Getting back to the poll, The Doors was the first progressive band I ever got into at age fifteen, although I was fortunate that their first album I listened to happened to be their best (Strange Days). Morrison Hotel was a major disappointment for me after which I lost interest in the band and took up with Yes and Genesis.
LA Woman is worth having ...
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:07
Ah, I love a drinking poll, as in would you have rather seen The Doors live, when Morrison was drunk and exposing himself, or Deep Purple, when Blackmore was too drunk to properly execute the most elementary of solos?
Two bands, neither known to shy away from excess, who are for ever associated with said excess.
I suppose I'll go for The Doors in terms of total output, though even on their best day they could never hope to approach the beautiful noise that is In Rock.
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