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Topic: The Doors vs. Deep PurplePosted By: adace1
Subject: The Doors vs. Deep Purple
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 20:10
Replies: Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 20:12
Both amazing bands, so I have to give my vote for equal.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 20:15
Hi,
Sorry ... The Doors are way more progressive, experimental and exciting, and also feature one of the best rock singers of all time. Deep Purple, btw, is one of two concerts I ahve ever walked out on ... they were too loud, out of tune, and too screwed up to play ... it wasn't even a rock show.
It's just an incredible shame that we can not consider The Doors" progressive, and it was bands like them that helped give "progressive" music a nice push with the long cuts and the tripping thing and the poetic nature of it all. And the rock press, will not give enough credence to a lot of American bands ... that simple ... specially when the height of "progressive" in America is the group Kansas ... which was, for all intents and purposes a two or three song band. Deep Purple were a nice band to go catch if you were stoned and yo had nothing better to do with life ...
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 20:23
Deep Purple were far better instrumentally, and I certainly loved them when I saw them in the 70s (one of the loudest damn concerts I've ever been too), but from a compositional and lyrical point of view, they don't hold a candle to The Doors. No single person best represents the music of the 60s than Jim Morrison.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 20:27
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
Sorry ... The Doors are way more progressive, experimental and exciting, and also feature one of the best rock singers of all time. Deep Purple, btw, is one of two concerts I ahve ever walked out on ... they were too loud, out of tune, and too screwed up to play ... it wasn't even a rock show.
I was fortunate to have a musician friend who handed me ear plugs before the concert. Unfortunately though only a few rows from the front I didn't get to see anything as the crowd surged to the front of the stage when the music started. Although both good and bad experiences, they can definitely play. Just listen to Made in Japan, on of the best live recordings ever.
Getting back to the poll, The Doors was the first progressive band I ever got into at age fifteen, although I was fortunate that their first album I listened to happened to be their best (Strange Days). Morrison Hotel was a major disappointment for me after which I lost interest in the band and took up with Yes and Genesis.
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 21:01
The Doors, defs. I mean, BREAK ON THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 12 2011 at 21:14
The Doors connect better emotionally and musically much more than Deep Purple.
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 02:05
I really like some albums of Deep Purple, but The Doors made a lot of great albums as well. Some songs of the Doors seem to connect to me in a special way, that makes The Doors the better band of the two.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 02:15
Deep Purple. Bit surprised they are losing. Interesting. Maybe when the UK and Europe wakes things will change?
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 02:44
The Doors by far! Deep Purple, apart from a few songs, could never really convince me.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 03:52
Deep purple!
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 03:56
Somehow the music of the Doors has something that turns me off a bit. I don't know what it is. One more vote for Deep Purple.
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 05:07
my first concert was Deep Purple. it was a start of everlasting love ...
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 05:54
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 05:58
Deep Purple. The Doors were terrific, but I never got into them as much as Deep Purple. Really liked the riffs that Blackmore and Lord played and Gillian's wild vocals.
Posted By: silcir
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 06:07
Equally.
These two bands are along with Jethro Tull my all time favorites. I've seen all three in concert (The Doors without Jim, not old enough).
Jethro Tull at 12yold, The Doors XXI at 20yold and Deep Purple at 23yold. The one i liked more was Deep Purple, It was really wild, awesome.
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 06:34
Deep Purple. But I like The Doors, too.
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 06:56
The Doors.
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 11:09
love both, but don't love the whole purple stuff,and i do for the doors ( with Morrison)
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 11:11
the Windows
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 11:44
The Doors
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 11:49
I like both groups a lot, but I like the Doors more.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 12:20
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
The Doors always sounds too elderly, mainly due to using vintage organs like Vox Continental, Wurlitzer, Gibson. On the other hand I like Hammond sound and Lord is its master, undoubtledly.
Gillan is an excellent singer with a wide range, concededly. Morrison was quite good singer, rather baritone with a expressive blues feeling. His lyrics and his stage presentation are invincible, on the other hand.
Ian Paice is better drummer than John Densmore, Ritchie Blackmore is one of Top Rock guitarists, thus I think surely better than Robby Krieger. Comparing of Glover or Hughes bass skills with Manzarek´s left hand on Fender Rhodes Bass Piano is useless, I mean.
Somebody told above that Doors are more progressive than Purples. OK in entirety, but their eponymous album (and the epic "April" especially) is probably more Prog than the whole Doors´ work.
Conclusion: Deep Purple is my choice!
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 14:02
The Dark Elf wrote:
Deep Purple were far better instrumentally, and I certainly loved them when I saw them in the 70s (one of the loudest damn concerts I've ever been too), but from a compositional and lyrical point of view, they don't hold a candle to The Doors. No single person best represents the music of the 60s than Jim Morrison.
I pretty much agree with all of this. never saw purple in Concert though :)
but I can't vote against either because there are so many songs I absolutely love
Lazy
Child in Time
Light My Fire
Riders on the Storm
have to go for the equal option
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 14:45
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
They recorded the albums with guest bassists, I would have expected you knew that.
Posted By: LateralMe
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 14:47
The Doors, I never enjoyed Deep Purple.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:30
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 16:11
richardh wrote:
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well, I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog length. Your taste really is weird.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 17:06
The Doors by far, never been a big purple fan.
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Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 18:16
I prefer Purple to the Doors although i'm not really much of a purple fan.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 18:28
The Doors.
Posted By: Mista-Gordie
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 21:30
Deep Purple for their first albums. I don't like their albums after Deep purple in rock except some songs
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 02:01
BaldFriede wrote:
richardh wrote:
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well, I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog length. Your taste really is weird.
I suspect the opposite is true and that my taste is rather boring and safe. Never really got The Doors and part of the problem is that there are only about 4 songs of theirs that I'm familiar with:
Light My Fire
Riders On The Storm
City At Night
People Are Strange
Light My Fire is okay I admit. I probably would keep the radio on for that one. Riders gets loads of praise yet Morrison's voice just sounds 'shot' to me and most of the song is Manzarek tinkling away on a piano and the sound of rain in the background.
City At Night gets load of play on Planet Rock but I find it just very dull.
People Are Strange - well that sums me up I guess
I just find The Doors very underwelming in general and because I only ever hear the same 4 songs on the radio ,makes me wonder why that are considered to be so great in the grand scheme of things.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 02:34
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
They recorded the albums with guest bassists, I would have expected you knew that.
Guest bassists! How ridiculous!
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 03:02
No contest whatsoever, Doors all the way. Jim Morrison is one of the most important people in rock history, and he didn't write smoke on the water.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 03:18
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
No contest whatsoever, Doors all the way. Jim Morrison is one of the most important people in rock history, and he didn't write smoke on the water.
He´d smoked on the water only.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 04:29
richardh wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
richardh wrote:
One band that has me
scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy
Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well,
I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors
appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I
actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog
length. Your taste really is weird.
I suspect the opposite is true and that my taste is rather boring
and safe. Never really got The Doors and part of the problem is that
there are only about 4 songs of theirs that I'm familiar with:
Light My Fire
Riders On The Storm
City At Night
People Are Strange
Light My Fire is okay I admit. I probably would keep the radio on
for that one. Riders gets loads of praise yet Morrison's voice just
sounds 'shot' to me and most of the song is Manzarek tinkling away on a
piano and the sound of rain in the background.
City At Night gets load of play on Planet Rock but I find it just very dull.
People Are Strange - well that sums me up I guess
I just find The Doors very underwelming in general and because
I only ever hear the same 4 songs on the radio ,makes me wonder why that
are considered to be so great in the grand scheme of things.
That "tinkling" has been called one of the best e-piano solos ever by
many people who know what they are talking about! And there is a lot of
fine guitar and drum work on that song too; Robbie Krieger and John
Densmore are very underestimasted as musicxians. Densmore is an
excellent drummer with very original ideas,and krieger's scales are
surprisingly jazzy for that time., not only in "Eiders On the Storm".
And you never heard "When the Music's Over" or "The End"? Well, here is you chance for that:
But I am almost certain that these two songs won't change your view of
the Doors at all, because you look for something else in music which the
Doors don't give you, like beautiful melodies and harmonies. You may be
surprised, but I love beautiful melodies and harmonies too, though I
rarely speak about that (with exceptions, like when I praise Peter
Hammill's opera "The Fall of the House of Usher").
But always beauty and nothing but beauty is extremely boring, in my
opinion; I seek the wild, the disharmonic, the ugly too, and you don't.
Hence for example your disapproval of jazz, where wild and disharmonic
is quite usual. And the Doors in these two songs are extremely jazzy for
their time; Densmore's drumming is definitely the drumming of a jazz
drummer in these two tracks, and so are the scales of Manzarek and
Krieger, especially Krieger.
My love of the disharmonic definitely comes from how I grew up with
music; I was confronted with both harmony and disharmony at the same
time. Krautrock and Symphonic Prog both were on the turntable of my
brother, as well as jazz-rock and jazz. And classical music too, though
that a bit later, when I was six or seven already. Indian ragas were
mixed in too, and had African or Arabian music been easier available at
that time I am certain my brother would have listened to that too, and I
with him, of course.
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Posted By: JeanFrame
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 05:10
Such a comparison gave me a jolt; I don't dislike Deep Purple, fine musicians, but so far away from being innovators and trail-blazers (I well remember seeing them at the Reading festival wearing frilly orange shirts and singing "Hush") it's very difficult to understand how they can be put alongside the Doors, who, while not particularly noted for their musicianship - only perhaps Manzarek was a first-rate musician - were definitely completely original, artistic, challenging etc. Despite the irony of the names, it was the Doors who were Deep, not Purple.
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 06:09
Gandalff wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
They recorded the albums with guest bassists, I would have expected you knew that.
Guest bassists! How ridiculous!
It doesn't matter if that's "ridiculous" or not; it's bass guitar you're hearing on their albums, so you'll have to correct your initial statement.
Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 09:33
The Doors are by far the better band and get my vote
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 11:13
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
They recorded the albums with guest bassists, I would have expected you knew that.
Guest bassists! How ridiculous!
It doesn't matter if that's "ridiculous" or not; it's bass guitar you're hearing on their albums, so you'll have to correct your initial statement.
Well. Guest musician isn´t full-value musician, otherwise he would be listed in band´s line-up, isn´t he? Thus The Doors was actually without bassist. That´s a fact.
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 11:20
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
The Doors always sounds too elderly, mainly due to using vintage organs like Vox Continental, Wurlitzer, Gibson. On the other hand I like Hammond sound and Lord is its master, undoubtledly.
Gillan is an excellent singer with a wide range, concededly. Morrison was quite good singer, rather baritone with a expressive blues feeling. His lyrics and his stage presentation are invincible, on the other hand.
Ian Paice is better drummer than John Densmore, Ritchie Blackmore is one of Top Rock guitarists, thus I think surely better than Robby Krieger. Comparing of Glover or Hughes bass skills with Manzarek´s left hand on Fender Rhodes Bass Piano is useless, I mean.
Somebody told above that Doors are more progressive than Purples. OK in entirety, but their eponymous album (and the epic "April" especially) is probably more Prog than the whole Doors´ work.
Conclusion: Deep Purple is my choice!
That so-called 'lack' of a bass player actually made the balance better; don't you know that bands aren't lined up to a formula? That the best bands happen by accident and not design? That less is sometimes more?
Comparisons are slightly ridiculous, people have their plus and minus points, but if we must go down that road - Gillan is technically a better singer than Morrison (most singers are better than Morrison in that sense). On the other hand, Morrison was a great vocalist, with a much superior and memorable sound than Gillan (and most others). He also had an uncanny knack of knowing just what to do to make the atmosphere and theatrics work. He was probably an actor more than a singer, but it did the trick, few in Rock were his equal as a front man.
The comparison between Paice and Densmore has almost identical characteristics to the argument about Gillan and Morrison; Densmore wasn't a drummer's drummer, he wasn't skilful in that way, but he brought a uniquely-theatrical aspect to the music that no-one else could have done. Uncannily, the same argument holds good for Kreiger and other guitarists, including the excellent Blackmore. Kreiger could be amateurish in his licks and fluffs and general execution, but who else could have produced those eccentric and timely comments, a kind of genius informed his approach at times, certainly unique, and most of all, ideal for the Doors.
Manzarek may not be flashy like many of the top keyboard players (personally, I would place Lord at the top of the second rank) but he did a fantastic job of playing keyboard and bass and holding the whole thing together, absolutely outstanding in his case.
Deep Purple were/are a fine band who seized on the coming blues boom, throwing away their hippie outfits and donning their torn blue jeans to storm a certain audience with top-rate musicianship but rather banal riff structures that could not really be described as meaningful songs. It certainly worked a treat with that particular audience, but I don't think any serious critic would put Deep Purple in the same calibre as the Doors in terms of what they represent to music. Then again, it's fine if it's what you prefer. But that's a different argument.
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 11:47
Gandalff wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Deep Purple is complete band. The Doors always lacked any bassist (and 40 years actually their frontman too).
They recorded the albums with guest bassists, I would have expected you knew that.
Guest bassists! How ridiculous!
It doesn't matter if that's "ridiculous" or not; it's bass guitar you're hearing on their albums, so you'll have to correct your initial statement.
Well. Guest musician isn´t full-value musician, otherwise he would be listed in band´s line-up, isn´t he? Thus The Doors was actually without bassist. That´s a fact.
So? Does that make Doors' music without bass guitar? NO.
And all the bassist they worked with are specified.
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 12:41
My first thought was: The Doors, of course. But when I remembered that Deep Purple has done more than Deep Purple in Rock, their three first albums are all masterpieces, and the 3rd album is without any doubt, progressive rock.
Deep Purple it is.
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 13:07
The Doors. I wish that I could have seen them live.
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 13:43
My vote easily goes to the Doors.
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:07
The Doors, my favorite from the 60's I guess . Like Deep Purple too of course.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:13
richardh wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
richardh wrote:
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well, I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog length. Your taste really is weird.
I suspect the opposite is true and that my taste is rather boring and safe. Never really got The Doors and part of the problem is that there are only about 4 songs of theirs that I'm familiar with:
Light My Fire
Riders On The Storm
City At Night
People Are Strange
Light My Fire is okay I admit. I probably would keep the radio on for that one. Riders gets loads of praise yet Morrison's voice just sounds 'shot' to me and most of the song is Manzarek tinkling away on a piano and the sound of rain in the background.
City At Night gets load of play on Planet Rock but I find it just very dull.
People Are Strange - well that sums me up I guess
I just find The Doors very underwelming in general and because I only ever hear the same 4 songs on the radio ,makes me wonder why that are considered to be so great in the grand scheme of things.
I wonder if you ever skipped parts of Apocalypse Now due to The End?
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:14
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:19
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I skip the entire film.
If I read you correctly, our tastes really are different. When I was a kid that movie had a profound effect on me. Along with Das Boot, it may be about my favourite war film. When I saw the A.N. Redux version in the cinema, I was rather bored though
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:31
Logan wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^ I skip the entire film.
If I read you correctly, our tastes really are different. When I was a kid that movie had a profound effect on me. Along with Das Boot, it may be about my favourite war film. When I saw the A.N. Redux version in the cinema, I was rather bored though
I love Das Boot, I think it's brilliant. I just don't buy into Apocalypse Now though. I would bet our tastes are more similar than you think.
Heart Of Darkness was a great film though. Sometimes I just don't like a film that is a "classic". Sometimes I do.
Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:32
Deep Purple - no contest.
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Posted By: overmatik
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:03
Wow, I didn't see that one coming. I respect The Doors, but I was never a big fan of their music, particularly Morrison's lyrics. Also, Purple's music is much more complex and rich, and they were all better musicians than the Doors.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:07
Ah, I love a drinking poll, as in would you have rather seen The Doors live, when Morrison was drunk and exposing himself, or Deep Purple, when Blackmore was too drunk to properly execute the most elementary of solos?
Two bands, neither known to shy away from excess, who are for ever associated with said excess.
I suppose I'll go for The Doors in terms of total output, though even on their best day they could never hope to approach the beautiful noise that is In Rock.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:36
I've never liked the Doors. Deep Purple for me.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:40
iluvmarillion wrote:
Getting back to the poll, The Doors was the first progressive band I ever got into at age fifteen, although I was fortunate that their first album I listened to happened to be their best (Strange Days). Morrison Hotel was a major disappointment for me after which I lost interest in the band and took up with Yes and Genesis.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 19:31
This is actually kind of fun. So let's make it simple, album by album, with the understanding that the release dates don't necessarily sync up. Ladies and Gentlemen, the quick and dirty DP vs. The Doors beatdown.
Shades of DP vs. The Doors Doors win. Shades of is a decent enough album, but really, Hush better than Light My Fire? Ain't happenin'.
Book of Taliesyn vs. Strange Days Really early instance of "well the first album was good, let's do it again", in the case of The Doors. Really early instance of "well we wrote a couple good songs but need some filler, why not go with a Neil Diamond song", in the case of DP. Doors win.
Deep Purple vs. Waiting for the Sun Now here it gets interesting. The first properly decent DP album, and the first actually thought out The Doors album. I'll admit, I'm a sucker for Waiting For the Sun, which is The Doors finest album. No one here gets out alive.
So here were are mid-point, Doors up 3-0. I'm not talking about instrumental virtuosity, just looking at how good are the albums.
In Rock vs. The Soft Parade. Worst Doors album vs. one of the finest rock albums ever made. It's a fact, Mt. Rushmore-esquly carve in pure stone, In Rock rules, and is the best of either bands output.
Fireball vs. Morrison Hotel. Good comeback album for The Doors. Bad follow up album for DP. I always liked Peace Frog. Call it a tie.
Which leaves...
Machine Head vs. L.A. Woman
Well for DP we finally get the true follow up to In Rock. Riff city. I'm not sure anyone still extant on the plant does not know the Smoke on the Water riff. Plus there's Lazy, Space Truckin', et. al. However, L.A. Woman's a nice and perhaps even fitting segue into oblivion for The Doors. These are both fine pieces of music, each with their own aura. Let's call it another tie.
Final tally is:
DP: 1 win, 3 loss, 2 tie Doors: 3 win, 1 loss, 2 tie
There ya go, simple as pie.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 20:24
jammun wrote:
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Shades of DP vs. The Doors Doors win. Shades of is a decent enough album, but really, Hush better than Light My Fire? Ain't happenin'.
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Well, the long version of the song the Doors win by 10k miles ... the AM version of the song at some 2 minutes plus ... would probably give DP a slight nudge ... in the butt!
Book of Taliesyn vs. Strange Days Really early instance of "well the first album was good, let's do it again", in the case of The Doors. Really early instance of "well we wrote a couple good songs but need some filler, why not go with a Neil Diamond song", in the case of DP. Doors win.
...
Wow ... someone that has actually heard the albums! ... I'm enjoying this.
In Rock vs. The Soft Parade. Worst Doors album vs. one of the finest rock albums ever made. It's a fact, Mt. Rushmore-esquly carve in pure stone, In Rock rules, and is the best of either bands output.
The Soft Parade is the one album that is ... very hard to get on with ... but it is one of the most important ones ... because The Doors makes a lot more sense after you are capable of making sense of the title piece and what it is about ... in the end, this is what the Doors is about ... but few people are capable of getting past poetry, a very harsh scream, and then ... the best part of the trip ... and the three of htese on the same breath and piece is ... down right scary and something that most people are not gonna deal with and going to listen to Jenny got a gun, or Hush hush, or Smoke on the Water ... is much easier and fun ... than the other content ... that you and most of us ... have absolutely no idea what the hell it is all about, and neither do the other three Doors members, and neither is anyone being strong enough to discuss the poetry and its value and continuity and even possible conceptual nature.
Basically, we ear something like this ... and we turn it off ... because it is scary and weird ... but some folks will go listen to Comus instead! ... like that's any different or worse! Or better!
Machine Head vs. L.A. Woman
Not even close ... Riders on the Storm and the title song alone are worth it.
And I'm not sure that progressive and other music is all about the "riff" makes it better or more important. Smoke On The Water is a nice radio song ... but it stops there ... it has nothing else of value whatsoever. Lyrically unimportant on top of it!
With all due respect. in my book, DP was just a radio, rock music band. I do think, and you might see the recent film done on The Doors, that there was more to the band than just a bunch of songs for the radio. As Jim once screamed ... has this dream stopped .... ? ... drumm rolll ... crash ... scream ... music! ... and Deep Purple ... were never that important with anything they did in my book. Not even interesting artistically ... but yes, they were very well known and people loved them ... and they had a few hits and sold well!
Wow ... sales count! and the more folks that have heard it the more some think it was good ... and it's not necessarily true, I don't think.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 02:04
Logan wrote:
richardh wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
richardh wrote:
One band that has me scurrying to the off switch on the radio is The Doors. Them and Iggy Pop.
Deep Purple get my vote although anything (other than Iggy Pop) versus The Doors would get my vote.
Well, I knew our tastes are different, but switching off whenever the Doors appear on the radio? They made some truly brilliant songs, and I actually like their short ones too, not only those that have prog length. Your taste really is weird.
I suspect the opposite is true and that my taste is rather boring and safe. Never really got The Doors and part of the problem is that there are only about 4 songs of theirs that I'm familiar with:
Light My Fire
Riders On The Storm
City At Night
People Are Strange
Light My Fire is okay I admit. I probably would keep the radio on for that one. Riders gets loads of praise yet Morrison's voice just sounds 'shot' to me and most of the song is Manzarek tinkling away on a piano and the sound of rain in the background.
City At Night gets load of play on Planet Rock but I find it just very dull.
People Are Strange - well that sums me up I guess
I just find The Doors very underwelming in general and because I only ever hear the same 4 songs on the radio ,makes me wonder why that are considered to be so great in the grand scheme of things.
I wonder if you ever skipped parts of Apocalypse Now due to The End?
I do have the flim on DVD which I like.In the context of a film its okay. I also enjoyed Trainspotting which wasn't spoilt by Iggy Pop either.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 02:20
Why anybody don´t continue a comparison of another Doors´ and Purple´s albums?
(I cannot make it because I don´t know last three Doors´ studio and no live ones.)
Other Voices vs. Who Do We Think We Are?
Full Circle vs. Burn?
An American Prayer vs. Stormbringer?
Absolutely Live vs. Concerto For Group And Orchestra?
Alive, She Cried vs. Made In Japan?
Live At The Hollywood Bowl vs. Made In Europe?
In Concert vs. Last Concert In Japan?
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 12:22
Deep Purple for me, not really a big fan of Doors though I like a few songs. By the way, Deep Purple were one of the most important influences on metal music and hard rock and that they shared the same era as Led Zep, The Who and Sabbath should not, as it unjustly does, lead to their being underestimated. I don't know when or rather whether In Rock will earn its rightful place among pioneering metal albums.
With that said, I do have a gripe that a band of their talent and firepower became rather AC DC like. They could and ought to have done so much more. In all seriousness, if you have heard a couple or more of the important DP albums, you've heard all you need to know about their style and the rest is for the fans.
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 13:32
You know really two different comparisons. If you compare the 60's output I have to go with the Doors as they had much more adventurous music in that period Deep Purple was solid but nothing special but Deep Purple became a much better band during their 1970-74 period. So really I think it is wash.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 20:34
If we compare the initial albums, which I did, well then The Doors win. There's nothing after LA Woman to even consider. It's all garbage. DP on the other hand kept on Space Truckin all night long.
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Posted By: jaybird77
Date Posted: April 15 2011 at 22:31
BaldFriede wrote:
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 00:43
jaybird77 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
I would say Densmore and Manzarek are both excellent. I don't really put Krieger in the same league as Blackmore though. Would be interesting to hear BF's take on that.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 03:04
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 07:27
jaybird77 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I would not say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists; they only played flashier. I like both, and for me both are full progressive rock bands.Songs like "Riders on the Storm" or "When the Music's Over" are real gems of progressive rock.
You wouldn't say that Deep Purple had better instrumentalists......Really? As far as better instrumentalists are you talking about technical ability, groove, taste, sense of time- what exactly? The Doors were excellent song writers, but to put them in the same league as Deep Purple is debatable. Becuase what you consider being flashy, I consider to be musicians who know there instruments very well and Deep Purple are and still solid musicians over The Doors.
I much prefer the Doors, both as a unit, and in originality. But I would have to concede that in pure technical terms, the musicians in Deep Purple are superior as far as the drums and guitar are concerned. I wouldn't like to rate Manzarek ahead of Lord, but he certainly is at least his equal, and does a far more difficult job than Lord ever had to do, so that one's open to question.
But as I said earlier, Densmore and Kreiger were both unique in the way they played and the artistry they brought to that table. I don't believe that Paice or Blackmore could have done that job in as good a way, though musicians as competent as those two would always do a great job.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:34
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:57
Gandalff wrote:
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
Zeppelin didn't have lineup changes so you might as well just say sabbath.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 16 2011 at 11:15
Snow Dog wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
Zeppelin didn't have lineup changes so you might as well just say sabbath.
Actually, Sabbath had plenty of line up changes proportionate to the number of albums they made but the quintessential line up had a long innings unlike DP Mark II.
Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 09:43
It's hard to see past The Doors, one of most important and influential bands in rock. Deep Purple were more followers than leaders, but were among the best musicians of their time. But at the end of the day, it's the concept that counts the most. Actors are important, but never as important as the play.
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 09:54
rogerthat wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
aginor wrote:
Deep Purple had more line-up changes then Zeppelin and Sabbath combined...
Well, what about it?
Zeppelin didn't have lineup changes so you might as well just say sabbath.
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 13:28
The Doors. The Doors have to be highest on my chart of frequency of vocals vs amount that I enjoy. I never listen to them anymore but back in high-school a day didn't go by without them. S/T and Morrison Hotel are fantastic (as are all their albums). In fact their consistency vs how much average work of Deep Purple's you have to sift through is the reason I voted for the Doors. However, DP's live improvs would likely win.
But yes, DP are more technically inclined. Though I definitely prefer Morrison (and his lyrics) to DP's vocalists. Also I like John Densmore a WHOLE LOT more than Ian Paice. I like Ian, but Densmore's drumming has so much feel.
Energy is astounding.
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 21:16
Early Deep Purple has always seemed more quality than any material that the Doors ever did. Plus, I grew up with DP.
Posted By: Heathcliffe
Date Posted: April 17 2011 at 22:22
Purple,(man).
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 02:09
Purple have some great songs, and Ritchie Blackmore is among my favorite flashy guitarists, but I have to agree with the consensus that The Doors are more emotionally resonant. Add to that that The Doors contained some highly underrated musicians who could play in a stunning variety of styles (Goth, pop, jazz, blues, psychedelic/art rock) and I cast a vote for perhaps America's greatest rock band.
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Posted By: JeanFrame
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 04:41
Not comparing like for like, so difficult other than personal taste being the arbiter. No question though that the historically-important band is The Doors.
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 07:46
For today The Doors win. Ask me again tomorrow!
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2011 at 00:42
Well, because I prefer well-written songs as opposed to well-played songs, I'll have to go with the Doors.
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: May 11 2011 at 04:22
Alitare wrote:
Well, because I prefer well-written songs as opposed to well-played songs.
That's a good quality to have in your critique facility. Songs are the molten core at the heart of any playing that follows.
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: May 11 2011 at 23:30
Deep Purple is a fantastic band, but The Doors have always been one of my favorite groups and they just have a sheer intensity that few bands are able to reproduce both in the studio and onstage. I know DP is a very heavy band, but The Doors were intense without even trying to be.
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Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 19:26
Listening to Deep Purple right now Could never really get into The Doors after the debut
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 19:33
criticdrummer94 wrote:
Listening to Deep Purple right now Could never really get into The Doors after the debut
Have you tried Waiting for the Sun or L.A Woman?
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 19:40
Today I listened to Machine Head for the first time in a long time...
The Purps will always get my vote, not that they're better musicians or songwriters, if not their variety with the different line-ups always appealed to me a lot. The early stuff with Evans is really cool 60s hard/proggy rock, the classic 70s rock and the groovier Coverdale/Hughes era.
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 21:39
I am too inspired by Jim Morrison to vote against him.
Plus I love the Doors way more. :P
Both bands are in my top 10 though.
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Posted By: DiamondDog
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 07:42
Like Purple but LOVE Doors
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 13:51
30 years ago i'd have said purple hands down...but their music hasn't aged well (particularly the extended live jams and solo after solo after solo..)
On the other hand The Doors have stayed relevant and although they have 60s sound their music hasn't aged at all.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:45
Purple easy. Alot of Doors songs are very outdated
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 01:24
The Doors definitely for me
Posted By: kevin4peace
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 17:40
Although Lazy is better than any Doors song, The Doors simply put out way more great songs. So Doors for me.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 17:44
Surely you can put together more strong Purple songs from 1968-1976 than Doors songs. Doors probably have about 10 compared to Purple's 30