Thoughts on my taste?

TheGazzardian

I usually assume that anyone into Midnight Oil must be Australian because they're either unknown outside of here or regarded (wrongly) as a one hit wonder in the U.S...think they had a minor hit with the "Blue Sky Mining" song in the U.S...did hear something about the band shooting themselves in the foot, career wise, by taking a long break...either before their Blue Sky Mine album came out or afterwards. That album tends to be the last one which gets any radio play here in Australia. Like I said, "Power and the passion" is pretty flogged here...might be their most flogged...next two would be "Beds are burning" and "Blue sky mining"...but other tracks from other albums do get a run, which is good.

I've actually got more Oils album than I otherwise would have...I bought a 3cd box set of 10-1; Red Sails; & Place without a postcard. Two of those are classics. Also bought a 2 for 1 cd of Diesel and dust; & Blue Sky Mine. If there weren't those options, I just would have gone with 10-1 and Diesel and dust.

I also agree with you about the build up to Jimmy Sharman's boxers. Very atmospheric. As is the intro to Harrisburg, another fave of mine. I like their more rock songs too..."Read about it" seems a grunge song...before grunge landed. And "Best of both worlds" has a touch of Van Halen to it...but it might have been released around the same timeframe as Van Halen's 1984...you get an Eddie Van Halen vibe from "Best of both worlds".?

Had a listen to Lamb Lies Down On Broadway...found the first classic or near classic Genesis song in Carpet Crawlers...my idea of radio play potential.

Dean

Two things about your posts bug me:

1) You've been an apologist for people like Snow Dog...telling me that they're being funny. Is that you being funny? It just seemed an absurd claim to make, on your behalf.

2) You've been nitpicky...I'd rather be discussion music but you seem interested in trivia...like my rating system...if it REALLY bugs you that I can give an album 8.25 and another one 8 or 8.5, why aren't you in a pink fit over YOUR site's system? 20% increments in scores...would you like it to be LESS precise? Out of 4 stars? 3 stars? 2 stars satisfactorily vague for you? How about having a "0" or "1" scoring system here? Why niggle me over my scoring system...you just seem to be angling for a reaction from me.

re "Of course it's sarcastic, it was intended to be, you used Wikipedia as validation of your statement without showing what the Wiki tagging meant in relation to the band."

I'm not sure what Wiki tagging means in relation to the band...if you mean something apart from what I have already said.

re Pink Floyd making Space Rock albums...I'm not sure that they've made one...they have space rock songs, sure, but not an album's worth. Same goes for Psychedelic albums.

You mention Television not being prog...people in this thread have said it is...but I'm the one getting all the trolling...and I'm sure that for many or most of my RYM Prog list albums there woud be SOMEONE who had one of my picks in THEIR list of great prog albums...so, that's another thing that bugs me here...I'm the one copping the attitude, not the other people here who express a similar opinion to me. I don't consider Television to be punk but 'serious' critics do...I'm sure if I expressed that opinion on some punk board I'd get the kind of trolling that I'm getting here.

As for this thread being 8 pages long...like I said...a LOT of GUFF here...Snow Dog's worthless opinions being expressed...whatever way the wind blows, they express that opinion...just luuurve having a post being offensive to me then one being conciliatory...then being offensive again. I'd assume that they base their list of the greatest prog albums on whatever is 'hot' right now on the board...if it's Tuesday, "Foxtrot" must be a great album...come Wednesday it would be outside of their top 100...whatever way the wind blows.

I'm pretty sure that there must be forums with people just like yous on it...you know, people arguing that Ke$ha REALLY is better than Katy Perry...no doubt invoking the superiority of Proust to Brown to 'prove' their 'argument' too!

Edited by dfle3 - May 06 2011 at 04:16

dfle3 wrote: But thanks for all the good pointers in this thread for being pretentious...ahem...

dfle3 wrote: JJLehto wrote: I give you credit though, this may be the worst thread I've seen because you are indeed 100% serious. So congrats with that. Yuh...like that's supposed to make me think that your opinion is soooo much better than mine. Good onya...make people feel silly for their taste in music...coz your opinion is soooo impressive. That's me being sarcastic, in case you missed it.

Don't listen to people like JJ. They're just trying to troll you. There's nothing wrong with your tastes. 

I'm sure he'll give up eventually. Though will the victory have been worth 8 pages?

Snow Dog wrote: @Dean.  I think you are just banging your head against a wall Dean. Evertything to be said has been said. Why are you wasting your time?

In this moment I am a Peruvian with an English accent.

Determined troll is determined

I was not being sarcastic in the slightest. This is honestly the worst thread I've ever seen. Considering how many I've seen that was an honest congratulations.

And trust me, it has nothing to do with your musical tastes. I was about to say what it was about, but it would involve going into probable suspension territory for what I was thinking about saying!

I didn't even mention my opinions on music v. yours in that post.
Oh and I did miss the sarcasm, thanks for letting me know. Greatly appreciated

Dean wrote: Not an assumption but an observation based upon what you posted in regard to ELO

Well, I'd say you're making an assumption by using the phrase "reverently". It's sarcastic in tone. You've gone beyond making observations to making assumptions...like Henry's original comment here that anyone who disagrees with their exalted opinion must be a troll. That kind of comment is intended to make their opinion REALLY important...has the opposite effect on me, to tell you the truth.

And others here are still being sarcastic...

JJLehto wrote: I give you credit though, this may be the worst thread I've seen because you are indeed 100% serious. So congrats with that.

Yuh...like that's supposed to make me think that your opinion is soooo much better than mine. Good onya...make people feel silly for their taste in music...coz your opinion is soooo impressive. That's me being sarcastic, in case you missed it.

Dean wrote:   In 1969/70 Miles Davis recorded "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew" - which are regarded as landmarks of Jazz-Rock/Fusion, hence their inclusion in this site. Since we categorise albums by "Artist" adding those albums meant adding Miles Davis and his entire discography. We cannot dictate which albums people must review and rate (any more than rym can or does), so if they wish to rate "Kind Of Blue" there is little we can do about it, the same would be true if people rated Genesis's 80s Pop Rock albums highly.   The top-100 lists are algorithmically calculated from the ratings of all albums in the database and by all members who review said albums - we cannot be selective on which albums to include or exclude, however, we do exclude Proto Prog and Prog Related in the list on the Front Page because by definition, those are not Prog.

You have a list of on this site which purports to be the top 100 prog albums of all time as voted by people on this site. It's not. At least 1% of is inaccurate. I can't do your work for you.  You're basically saying that "Bitches brew" is a suitable album for your top 100 list. But it's not that popular. An album which is NOT eligible for your list "Kind of blue" IS in your list. It just seems common sense to me to remove ineligible albums from your list...do you know of sites which actually rank actual prog albums? I'd be interested in that list. I'm guessing that the figure of 1% not actually being prog albums in your list is a LOT less than it actually IS in reality.

If you're saying that you exclude proto-prog and prog related albums from your list of top 100 prog albums, then presumably you can also include Kind Of Blue. I asked the question before, and it was unanswered...does Kind Of Blue pad out your list (making up the numbers) or does it make your list seem more impressive?

Dean wrote: The Top-100 list is customisable if you go to the Top Prog Albums page and only select the subgenre's you are interested in, so if you wish to construct a personalised Top-100 that excludes JR/F that is possible

The relevant point is why YOU/YOUR site doesn't do this...why leave it up to ME? As your top 100 stands right now, it's about as valid as my own list...but I don't count jazz albums in my list...coz including them would be silly...to each their own, I suppose.

re E.L.O...my point is that albums which Wiki describes as prog and the last one I looked at which was described as "art" rock have songs on them that are very much of the famous examples of pop which they are known for. In fact  earlier albums may also be tagged "art rock".  Which raises the question "What is the difference between art rock and progressive rock?".

I can't really say that "progressive rock" is a useful term...it encompasses everything from sleepy nu-classical music to jazzy rock...two distinct kinds of music..."fusion" seems a better term than "prog" to me.

re quarter points in my reviews...you don't see much difference between 7.75/10 and 8/10? "8" is slightly higher than "7.75", so it's a slightly better album. I'd feel I was getting silly if I went beyond quarter points...like the difference between 7.25 and 7.253219. The latter figure might sound highly scientific but it would be meaningless. You seem to be suggesting that I rate most albums in whole or half numbers? On your site that seems I'd have to rate as equal albums that I would score as 6/10, 7/10 etc. My system's not perfect but it does allow for thinking one album slightly better than another...without getting silly.

re Proust...I don't have  a chip on my shoudler...it's not about me...it's about someone claiming that you can be objective/scientific in ranking albums...now that's silly...like I'm supposed to be impressed that someone luuuurves Trout Mask.

But thanks for all the good pointers in this thread for being pretentious...ahem...

You know, as someone who has read everything Proust has ever written - 5 to 7 times -, I've discovered that Genesis' debut is ACTUALLY their best.

You'd be making an assumption by believing that I wouldn't hold any of your opinions to ridicule...I just don't go around, like an emperor with no clothes, parading my superior taste as a non-existent garb.

P.S. have no idea who "Not given" are "Stephen", who you mentioned in an earlier post re your site's top 100...couldn't find it amongst the guff perhaps?

Be cool to get some actual opinions on music as opposed to this whole...'my opinion is the best' kind of attitude.

Apparently some of it's meant to be a joke...like Snow Dog's ripsnorter?

Lastly...I'm not a geek, but if your site can't give a list of the top 100 prog albums as voted by your members, which features actual prog albums, then I'd suggest finding someone good at creating website content...it's hard to believe that you couldn't actually remove "Kind of blue" without the sky falling down.

Mr "Not Given" does seem to be a hit-and-run poster.

dfle3 your response to llama...please please tell me you were making a counter joke to his....

I give you credit though, this may be the worst thread I've seen because you are indeed 100% serious.
So congrats with that.