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Posted: March 09 2011 at 19:23
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Prog or not, Road Salt One is for me an below average and boring album. I listen to it a few times, and put it aside. Why try so desperately to get into it and like it. Yes I agree, some albums take time to get into them, but if after three to four listening sessions nothing happens, probably also nothing will happen at the 10th listening.
Agreed, only boredom grows on you with several sessions as far as this album goes. I appreciate the intent to not get stuck in one sound but he hasn't yet found another successful one imo.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 18:46
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~Rael~ wrote:
You don't know how I put together what from what you said?
And I meant professional metal bands, not the local bands that are all carbon copy deathcore. I don't know what band that is, but I generally don't judge a band until I hear it.
But, I do always like that on message boards. Someone insults a genre of music, I respond in kind, and it's all, "Chill out, bro!" Ugh.
What are you on about? You slammed indie (I'm assuming you mean indie rock and post rock, etc.) and I said it could be worse. Then you somehow mistook it as an insult to metal in general, which it was anything but.
For starters you said "indie" which is pretty broad term if I may say so myself. Not sure why you mean by "professional", but this band's last album debuted #8 in Top Heatseakers, #35 in Independent (Indie) Albums, and #21 in Hard Rock albums. Don't say I didn't warn you:
A misunderstanding on my part, then.
As to that video. Yeah, that's pretty horrid. I'm not sure it's even metal though, but that another argument altogether.
This is still the worst crap I've heard, though:
Edited by ~Rael~ - March 09 2011 at 18:47
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 18:05
TheClosing wrote:
~Rael~ wrote:
You don't know how I put together what from what you said?
And I meant professional metal bands, not the local bands that are all carbon copy deathcore. I don't know what band that is, but I generally don't judge a band until I hear it.
But, I do always like that on message boards. Someone insults a genre of music, I respond in kind, and it's all, "Chill out, bro!" Ugh.
What are you on about? You slammed indie rock and I said it could be worse. Then you took it as an insult to metal in general, which it was anything but.
Don't say I didn't worn you.
Even as a huge metal fan myself, that is some horrid stuff right there!
You don't know how I put together what from what you said?
And I meant professional metal bands, not the local bands that are all carbon copy deathcore. I don't know what band that is, but I generally don't judge a band until I hear it.
But, I do always like that on message boards. Someone insults a genre of music, I respond in kind, and it's all, "Chill out, bro!" Ugh.
What are you on about? You slammed indie (I'm assuming you mean indie rock and post rock, etc.) and I said it could be worse. Then you somehow mistook it as an insult to metal in general, which it was anything but.
For starters you said "indie" which is pretty broad term if I may say so myself. Not sure why you mean by "professional", but this band's last album debuted #8 in Top Heatseakers, #35 in Independent (Indie) Albums, and #21 in Hard Rock albums. Don't say I didn't warn you:
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 17:55
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Now, if this was a rating based only on how much one enjoys a
piece of music (and I know that does factor in) it wouldn't be a
problem, but the rating is supposed to be based on the progressiveness
of the work, and I just can't find much prog in RS1. .
There's your issue. There's tons of progressive rock out there that sucks and lots of music from different genres that's excellent. Rating albums based on the "proginess" of the material seems narrow-minded to me, and not a good way to appreciate music as a whole. I rate albums based on the quality of the music and my own personal enjoyment - I would hope most other reviewers approach music the same way.
As far as you not "getting it"... RS1 took me at least a dozen listens to really get into. I still consider it the weakest PoS album, but I've grown to enjoy it. You may never enjoy the album, which is the beauty of everyone having their own opinion.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 17:49
You don't know how I put together what from what you said?
And I meant professional metal bands, not the local bands that are all carbon copy deathcore. I don't know what band that is, but I generally don't judge a band until I hear it.
But, I do always like that on message boards. Someone insults a genre of music, I respond in kind, and it's all, "Chill out, bro!" Ugh.
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0. Chill pill broski. It was meant to be lighthearted.
1. I'm sure they do, but "indie rock" is not even remotely the same as "core" music that has taken over where I live. All I'm saying is that in comparison it's not so bad.
2. Get a grip dude. I'm not even sure how you put that together from what I said ...
This is the type of band that comes out of where I live:
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 17:20
1. I wasn't aware kiddies in tight pants and flat hair didn't go to indie concerts.
2. If you think that's all metal is now, you're quite ignorant.
You're going to find more instrumental and writing skill at almost any metal show rather than the played out and exhausted indie formula.
Edited by ~Rael~ - March 09 2011 at 17:22
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Poor, poor you! I'll take an indie scene any day over these kiddies with their tight pants, flat ironed hair, and screamy breakdown noise that they call music.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 16:06
Yep, still near St. Louis, suffering the endless parades of indie bands that infest the good music venues.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 08:23
Rael, I agree with you about progressiveness being a part of the rating.
The new Decemberists album is slightly above average indie folk IMO. There is absolutely nothing prog about. Not one thing. In the grand scheme of things, I'd give it about 6/10 but I gave it 2 stars and rightly so. No prog fan would want this album unless they're specifically fans of the band. So "fans only" is appropriate.
Similarly, I will bump up an album that truly has something new to say even if it's a little raw or has some flaws.
BTW, you still in St Louis area?
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 08:05
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~Rael~ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Its definitely much more song oriented than previous PoS albums and the sprawling epics of The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are long gone. Its progressive more in a "we refuse to stand still and repeat ourselfes" way rather than keeping to some prescribed ideas of what is prog metal. As far as getting it goes, you either like it or dont and if you've listened to it several times already then you might as well put it down and come back to it after a few months, you might have changed your mind or you might not have.
Yeah. It's just a bummer when a band doesn't go in the direction you want it to. It's also exceedingly selfish, but there it is.
I kind of think Gildenlow should have just made a another band or just gone by his own name for this album (along with Be) because it is so far removed from PoS. I think it might have been better received by a lot of people if that happened.
Why would Gildenlow release any album from a side project? It's obvious he wants to show people that POS is going to write what they want and play what they want. To him, there is no "POS sound." I see what you're saying from a fan's perspective, but I don't think Gildenlow thinks this way.
I don't think he does, either. Hell, who knows how his mind works.
But, I do think there is a PoS sound that has been relatively constant up until RS1. Even in Scarsick we get metal. RS1 just seems to deviate from everything.
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 03:21
Prog or not, Road Salt One is for me an below average and boring album. I listen to it a few times, and put it aside. Why try so desperately to get into it and like it. Yes I agree, some albums take time to get into them, but if after three to four listening sessions nothing happens, probably also nothing will happen at the 10th listening.
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Posted: March 08 2011 at 23:50
~Rael~ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Its definitely much more song oriented than previous PoS albums and the sprawling epics of The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are long gone. Its progressive more in a "we refuse to stand still and repeat ourselfes" way rather than keeping to some prescribed ideas of what is prog metal. As far as getting it goes, you either like it or dont and if you've listened to it several times already then you might as well put it down and come back to it after a few months, you might have changed your mind or you might not have.
Yeah. It's just a bummer when a band doesn't go in the direction you want it to. It's also exceedingly selfish, but there it is.
I kind of think Gildenlow should have just made a another band or just gone by his own name for this album (along with Be) because it is so far removed from PoS. I think it might have been better received by a lot of people if that happened.
Why would Gildenlow release any album from a side project? It's obvious he wants to show people that POS is going to write what they want and play what they want. To him, there is no "POS sound." I see what you're saying from a fan's perspective, but I don't think Gildenlow thinks this way.
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Posted: March 08 2011 at 16:17
sleeper wrote:
Its definitely much more song oriented than previous PoS albums and the sprawling epics of The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are long gone. Its progressive more in a "we refuse to stand still and repeat ourselfes" way rather than keeping to some prescribed ideas of what is prog metal. As far as getting it goes, you either like it or dont and if you've listened to it several times already then you might as well put it down and come back to it after a few months, you might have changed your mind or you might not have.
Yeah. It's just a bummer when a band doesn't go in the direction you want it to. It's also exceedingly selfish, but there it is.
I kind of think Gildenlow should have just made a another band or just gone by his own name for this album (along with Be) because it is so far removed from PoS. I think it might have been better received by a lot of people if that happened.
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Posted: March 08 2011 at 09:36
Its definitely much more song oriented than previous PoS albums and the sprawling epics of The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are long gone. Its progressive more in a "we refuse to stand still and repeat ourselfes" way rather than keeping to some prescribed ideas of what is prog metal. As far as getting it goes, you either like it or dont and if you've listened to it several times already then you might as well put it down and come back to it after a few months, you might have changed your mind or you might not have.
That is a completely terrible way to review albums on this site now, especially given what is is crossover and prog-related.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. I rated Road Salt low because it wasn't compelling music imo, not based off how "progz" it is. I'm at the point where I'm not concerned about genre labels and to me that's the whole essence of what prog used to be about. If anything RS1 is more of a prog record than most of the stuff on here. Why you ask? Simple, put on Remedy Lane then put on BE then put on Scarsick then put on Road Salt. Besides Daniel's discernible voice, this could be four entirely different bands. Seems to me prog died the minute it became a specific pinpoint-able sound. So basically I can fully appreciate Daniel's pursuit of a new sound for the band even though it doesn't click with me personally, but sadly he's just not the songwriter he once was which is what's most important first and foremost. And if all that doesn't jive well with someone's "rules" or their text book definition of what "prog" is then they can take a number and get in line to kiss my grits.
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