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moshkito 
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 Posted: January 09 2011 at 23:31 |
Hi,
I think that any and all of the years are good. To say one year is better than the other, pretty much states that we have favorites and are not listening to new things from other countries around the world. I still think that Germany, France and Italy went massive and quite far, and to suggest that one year was better than the other ... to me ... is like saying that one has not heard more music, and can only listen to a "style" ... that, for the most part, is no longer "progressive" at all! Walter's point is actually pretty well taken, if one considers the Internet starting to go popular around that time. Since then, the proliferation of music is way too much, and a lot of it is really poor, by comparison to anything that we tend to discuss all around, and with that came the myriad of genres, so one can more or less find similar things. In general, the problem with that (for me!) is that ... they all sound the same! Metal is a perfect example! I was just listening to "Here Come the Warm Jets" (Eno) and the guitar parts in there, still make some of the metal and harder material out there today, sound like cheap rock'n'roll!
Edited by moshkito - January 09 2011 at 23:34
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progvortex
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 21:46 |
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1969. Because regardless of the quantity of music subsequently released, none can match the grandeur of our King's debut.
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irrelevant
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 20:31 |
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No, I think because it's considered the epic, definitive, absolute, undisupted peak of the genre....
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
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clarke2001
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 20:21 |
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It depends of a genre.
Early 70's were great for Symphonic prog, but not so great in the late 70's. But the era was great for jazz rock fusion.
Electronic was great in 70's and first half of the 80's, it became atrocious in mid-late 80's, coming back to form as 90's advanced.
Avant prog has many facets and it's great in all periods: from The Residents to Kayo Dot.
First half of the 90's don't do much for me. But 95-00 period revealed some great prog. 00's too.
There are exceptions, of course.
If I had to pick my favourite prog year (for let's say 1967-2011) I would draw an envelope: a steep slope up in the 60's, high in the 70's, moderately going down, again jumping up in the 1980, steeply falling down almost to zero, remaining low through a chunk of the 90's and then going up in the last quarter, keeping more or less constant line to this day.
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CCVP
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 18:08 |
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In the 70's, from 71 to 73 and in recent times from 06 to 09.
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trackstoni
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 16:25 |
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to be honest in this , and while still in the beginning of this , what i've meant , was only about Masterpieces & Excellent stuff that we have today !
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 16:15 |
Catcher10 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Nathaniel607 wrote:
2009 maybe.
To be honest, I think anyone saying anything before 2000 is lying/fanboy/deluded/Walter. The internet has just helped so many more bands and artists get their material out there. There's enough material available in a post-internet (well, since it got popular) year to last me a lifetime.
But yeah, that's in terms of how much material is available to the average music listener. Music actually made is a different story... |
All of it is pure trash. Absurd quantity, yet nothing of quality. All these worthless internet bands, with their lousy digital home studios and samples and copped riffs, have added nothing to legacy of the art form once known music. Indeed, all they've done is saturate the information superhighway with dross that impedes people from accessing the real deal.
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But Walter I also think about had pre '89 artists had some kind of digital medium to get their music out, how much more would there be? I mean how many potential new artists did we miss out on in the 70's and 80's because they had no means to get their music out to the public? Your right, it does not cost much to put out an album with the internet and home studios on a laptop.......but does that mean its all trash? |
Exactly. What he seems to be suggesting is that if albums can't be released in the traditional manner, they must be sh*t. How can the number of albums overall go up, but only with the number of bad ones increasing? Not only is it silly, it's downright statistically impossible with numbers as great as they are.
Besides, nothing wrong with home studios in my opinion, but then again, I'm not really an audiophile.
Also, how does there being a lot of bad material stop people getting good material? That's a silly argument. There are loads of 60s' and 70s' bands who have pretty much only got popular once the internet rolled around. Well, I can't prove it, but you know the ones I mean - the obscure, usually one-album-wonder bands.
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friso
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 15:20 |
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If some-one would ask me, which rarely happens by the way, I'd say 1970 what the year prog got it's momentum. From that year on the course was set for progressive rock, which makes it the main productive moment for the movement for me.
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plpicher
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:25 |
1973: The Dark Side of the Moon Selling England by the Pound In a Glass House Birds of Fire Tubular Bells Larks Tongue in Aspic Camel I'm sure I forget a lot '72&'73 were clearly the best years for prog, '74 was also good.
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Catcher10
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:24 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Nathaniel607 wrote:
2009 maybe.
To be honest, I think anyone saying anything before 2000 is lying/fanboy/deluded/Walter. The internet has just helped so many more bands and artists get their material out there. There's enough material available in a post-internet (well, since it got popular) year to last me a lifetime.
But yeah, that's in terms of how much material is available to the average music listener. Music actually made is a different story... |
All of it is pure trash. Absurd quantity, yet nothing of quality. All these worthless internet bands, with their lousy digital home studios and samples and copped riffs, have added nothing to legacy of the art form once known music. Indeed, all they've done is saturate the information superhighway with dross that impedes people from accessing the real deal.
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But Walter I also think about had pre '89 artists had some kind of digital medium to get their music out, how much more would there be? I mean how many potential new artists did we miss out on in the 70's and 80's because they had no means to get their music out to the public? Your right, it does not cost much to put out an album with the internet and home studios on a laptop.......but does that mean its all trash?
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:07 |
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For the classic age 72 and 73 definitely. But for more recent times I would say 2008. And 2009 were great years.
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thehallway
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 13:04 |
No, I think because it's considered the epic, definitive, absolute, undisupted peak of the genre....
....by some.
Probably including me!
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hobocamp
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 10:20 |
irrelevant wrote:
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Shhhh.... We're supposed to work around that one.  |
Because of Tales and Play I presume?
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 09:54 |
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Are you referring only to quality TT, or is quality relevant to your topic too?
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 09:29 |
hobocamp wrote:
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Shhhh.... We're supposed to work around that one.
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hobocamp
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 09:09 |
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 09:01 |
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just looking at the tops year by year here on PA, I'd say 1971.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:46 |
Nathaniel607 wrote:
2009 maybe.
To be honest, I think anyone saying anything before 2000 is lying/fanboy/deluded/Walter. The internet has just helped so many more bands and artists get their material out there. There's enough material available in a post-internet (well, since it got popular) year to last me a lifetime.
But yeah, that's in terms of how much material is available to the average music listener. Music actually made is a different story... |
All of it is pure trash. Absurd quantity, yet nothing of quality. All these worthless internet bands, with their lousy digital home studios and samples and copped riffs, have added nothing to legacy of the art form once known music. Indeed, all they've done is saturate the information superhighway with dross that impedes people from accessing the real deal.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 15:39 |
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I think 2007 was a good year. that was also the first year i really got into prog, so i may be a bit biased
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: January 08 2011 at 14:09 |
2009 maybe.
To be honest, I think anyone saying anything before 2000 is lying/fanboy/deluded/Walter. The internet has just helped so many more bands and artists get their material out there. There's enough material available in a post-internet (well, since it got popular) year to last me a lifetime.
But yeah, that's in terms of how much material is available to the average music listener. Music actually made is a different story...
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