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CCVP
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
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Points: 7971
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 19:46 |
Starhammer wrote:
Whoa, we have a Brazillian admin? |
Sim, mas precisamos de mais BRs neste web-sítio.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator
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Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Points: 29630
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 19:40 |
Starhammer wrote:
Whoa, we have a Brazillian admin? |
Rumor has it he was born underneath an amber moon...
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 26 2010 at 19:40
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator
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Joined: October 21 2005
Location: Terra Brasilis
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Points: 12288
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 19:30 |
Starhammer wrote:
Whoa, we have a Brazillian admin? |
Brasilian since I was born.
Brasileiro desde que nasci.
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Guigo
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The Neck Romancer
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2010
Location: Brazil
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 19:10 |
Whoa, we have a Brazillian admin?
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 18:35 |
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CCVP
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Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 17:33 |
Atkingani wrote:
I don't know if someone was, is, has been or will be killed due to Wikileaks but at least here in Brazil a certain number of reputations are dead now.
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Like whose, for example?
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 16:00 |
Just wait until we get Wikipoops...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator
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Joined: October 21 2005
Location: Terra Brasilis
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 11:15 |
I don't know if someone was, is, has been or will be killed due to Wikileaks but at least here in Brazil a certain number of reputations are dead now.
Edited by Atkingani - December 25 2010 at 11:15
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Guigo
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Theriver
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 13 2010
Location: Lisbon Portugal
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Points: 181
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 09:46 |
Going for one...
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The Neck Romancer
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Joined: June 01 2010
Location: Brazil
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 15:36 |
SolarLuna96 wrote:
I voted the second option, not because I agree with it, but because the government will probably put everyone who voted option 1 in jail. |
LOL
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Luna
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Joined: July 28 2010
Location: Funky Town
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 14:52 |
I voted the second option, not because I agree with it, but because the government will probably put everyone who voted option 1 in jail.
You know what, f*ck the government, I'll vote the first option!
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crimhead
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Joined: October 10 2006
Location: Missouri
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Points: 19236
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 14:11 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The obvious answer is if the information is merely embarrassing then too bad. If someone gets hurt or killed then it's bad.
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this
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Points: 16130
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 09:11 |
someone_else wrote:
I know that I may be too fond of conspiracy theories now and then, but I still have the hunch that there is something more behind this. I can't help it... |
I have naturally suspicious mind too, and I admit I did wonder about the timings of the leaks concerning Chinese relations with North Korea, and the Arab calls to deal with Iran, but in this case it was just an unintentionally well timed coincidence, imo.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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someone_else
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 07:47 |
I know that I may be too fond of conspiracy theories now and then, but I still have the hunch that there is something more behind this. I can't help it...
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 07:23 |
Wikileaks is no government conspiracy, as Equality says it doesn't make the government look good, and therefore doens't make sense in that regard.
Assange is an enemy of the global elite, and will be dealt with accordingly, either in or out of court.
Anyway, I vote for the first option.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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npjnpj
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Joined: December 05 2007
Location: Germany
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 07:10 |
Generally I think it's a good thing, but there is a large caveat.
The way Wikileaks handles it is dubious because there are a lot of documents that are inherantly dangerous to the public when published indescriminately, as is being done.
It's not a problem that is addressed easily, the resources needed to sift the in formation would be enormous.
But I do feel that the way it's handled now owes less to disclosure of dubious practices but to the pandering to people's 'Schadenfreude'. And that's a bit cheap and nasty.
Edited by npjnpj - December 22 2010 at 07:22
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 07:09 |
The obvious answer is if the information is merely embarrassing then too bad. If someone gets hurt or killed then it's bad.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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fasolplanetarium
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Joined: December 21 2010
Location: Houston, TX
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Points: 38
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Posted: December 22 2010 at 04:14 |
someone_else wrote:
Both. Sometimes it may be good to expose what happens behind the curtains, but I am a bit suspicious (not paranoid!): I think that this whole Wikileaks thing has been set up by the U.S. government to give them a reason to seize control over the internet.
And that's why I vote for bad. |
I don't know. I'm not a big fan of government conspiracies to be honest, and Assange's history as a hacker completely dissociates him from being the government's secret champion. I agree with you in part, however, because he is going to draw negative attention to the internet as a method of free speech. I don't really care about "exposing" the government for doing "bad" things either. It's a government! All governments do dishonest things and that is something that is intrinsic to the very thing that is a government. It's a flawed implementation, but it's also necessary. It seems that Assange is stuck in the "f**k the establishment" mentality, though he is no doubt brilliant, if not because what he does is good or bad but because it's really interesting and causing a huge stir in the way people feel about their security, or lack thereof.
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"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom."
-Kierkegaard
My music blog: endless-sound.blogspot.com
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 08:06 |
That would be the worst idea ever. Why wouldn't they stage some sort of cyber-terrorism attack?
You don't use a false flag operation that makes the government look bad. The government can't claim to be rescuing people from its lie and abuses being uncovered.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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someone_else
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Joined: May 02 2008
Location: Going Bananas
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 07:58 |
Both. Sometimes it may be good to expose what happens behind the curtains, but I am a bit suspicious (not paranoid!): I think that this whole Wikileaks thing has been set up by the U.S. government to give them a reason to seize control over the internet.
And that's why I vote for bad.
Edited by someone_else - December 21 2010 at 07:59
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