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Padraic

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 21:37

TheClosing wrote:

Comments like yours make me wonder if this is a place I want to hang around.

here's a hint: it's not

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 21:36

You saying it's not the issue is just plain ignorant. It is extremely hard to help yourself if you don't have the means to do so. If you're uneducated you do don't have many options. If you say otherwise then you flat out don't know how the world works. At the same time no one here was condoning the actions. I'm saying most people simply do not understand the situation they're under so they can't judge. You may say you were once poor but I highly doubt you were anywhere near poverty. What it comes down to is the fact that if you want to help someone you throw them a lifesaver; you don't turn your back on them completely.

Comments like yours make me wonder if this is a place I want to hang around.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:18

Closing, You're right, much better to send kids the message there's no right or wrong, and that they can't succeed on their own. That's working SO great for us. Keep telling them that they are victims, and that being poor is an excuse to fail. It's great stuff.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just find your position on this disturbing, short-sighted, and sad.

Edited by Finnforest - June 29 2010 at 20:19

...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:14

The T wrote:

Padraic wrote:

I will, thanks.

* sips beer *

What's on TV?

Lots of people with plastic surgeries who can't think of a better way to waste money.

They clearly aren't into progressive rock.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:14

Padraic wrote:

I will, thanks.

* sips beer *

What's on TV?

Lots of people with plastic surgeries who can't think of a better way to waste money.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:11

I will, thanks.

* sips beer *

What's on TV?

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:07

Finnforest wrote:

C'mon Rob, they MUST steal. I mean, if they're poor, it's OK to steal. Tell your rellies to embrace their victimhood, man. Wink

Justice!

Maybe all the problems in the world will go away if you keep ignoring. Yes, keep ignoring.

TheClosing wrote:

Here's a little something from the U.S. Government Accountability Office: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07343t.pdf

The root of stealing has very little to do with economic conditions. Riiiight.

Just keep ignoring.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:30

Finnforest wrote:

C'mon Rob, they MUST steal. I mean, if they're poor, it's OK to steal. Tell your rellies to embrace their victimhood, man. Wink

Justice!

You can test a man's principles by his actions. Maybe thieves will target the homes of some of the people in this thread. I wonder if the cops would be called. Ermm

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:23

I'd have a very tough time looking someone who stole food to feed themselves or their kids in the eye and condemning him for doing that. Illegal, sure. Wrong, harder to say...or maybe easier depending on which ancient book you follow.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:18

C'mon Rob, they MUST steal. I mean, if they're poor, it's OK to steal. Tell your rellies to embrace their victimhood, man. Wink

Justice!

...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:16

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He works at Bed, Bath, and Beyond, I think.

Same thing, then (although I would hope they don't sneak beds past you Henry Wink

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Also, if someone has a computer and the Internet to sell things on eBay, they must not be doing that bad. None of my poorer relatives have computers. They don't steal either.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:07

He works at Bed, Bath, and Beyond, I think.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:06

Henry Plainview wrote:

Rob, you're being a little disingenous. I work retail, and I assure you, it is much, much easier to steal $400 of stuff from me without getting caught and resell it for $200 on eBay than it is to steal $200 of food from a grocery store. And food doesn't pay the rent. I still agree that the honest person stealing before they starve is rare, but the dishonest person who is in a problem that he created will still starve if he doesn't do something.

The fact that many (or most?) prostitutes are drug addicts is a symptom of a larger societal problem and not something I think we should judge them for.

I think everybody in this thread should watch The Wire.

I didn't see your post Henry...but anyway, lolwut?

How easy it is to steal doesn't excuse you from stealing. If you've made other poor choices in life, they don't excuse you from stealing. If you need your rent paid, that doesn't excuse you from stealing.

As for prostitutes being drug addicts, there's plenty of people coping with the "larger societal problem" who didn't turn to either.

Speaking of disingenuous, of course it's easier to steal from the store you work at. You're at Best Buy, right? They have single items for $400. I've never seen a $400 steak at the grocery store.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 17:35

The fact that many (or most?) prostitutes are drug addicts is a symptom of a larger societal problem and not something I think we should judge them for.

I think everybody in this thread should watch The Wire.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:06

And many of these shifts were caused by me. Oh well, this will be the last time I comment in a controversial topic for a while.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 07:58

Repner wrote:

Wow. We went from an elderly woman getting tazed, to wether or not police are crooked, to drug use: is it wrong?, to discussing the morals of a thief. Confused

Even the non-music board is progressive LOL

You forgot the prostitutes.

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 07:21

After a while what can you add to the discussion? Wink

I will now add, that hospitals typically have restraints in stock and as much as I hate to second guess not having been there, tasering a bed ridden woman was probably excessive. The surprising thing was that it actually made it into the news.

Edited by Slartibartfast - June 29 2010 at 15:18

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: June 29 2010 at 07:10

Wow. We went from an elderly woman getting tazed, to wether or not police are crooked, to drug use: is it wrong?, to discussing the morals of a thief. Confused

Even the non-music board is progressive LOL

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Posted: June 28 2010 at 23:19

Rob, you're being a little disingenous. I work retail, and I assure you, it is much, much easier to steal $400 of stuff from me without getting caught and resell it for $200 on eBay than it is to steal $200 of food from a grocery store. And food doesn't pay the rent. I still agree that the honest person stealing before they starve is rare, but the dishonest person who is in a problem that he created will still starve if he doesn't do something.

The fact that many (or most?) prostitutes are drug addicts is a symptom of a larger societal problem and not something I think we should judge them for.

I think everybody in this thread should watch The Wire.

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