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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:03

I thought this thread was about masterpieces that members didn't like , not "name the albums that you think are masterpieces"

Anyway, any album that is claimed to be a masterpiece is a bit of a pretentious claim IMO

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:46

I think that the most of the albums that mention if can be masterpieces, but thanks to that has been overrated during all the time, I I think some masterpieces are:

BIRDS OF FIRE  - MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA

CONCERTO GROSSO 1 E 2  - NEW TROLLS

MEDDLE - PINK FLOYD

THE HUMAN EQUATION - AYREON

Although not to can stop mentioning almbums as:

RELAYER - YES

MIRAGE - CAMEL

HEMISPHERES - RUSH

RED - KING CRIMSON

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 16:06
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...

CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...

Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...

How do you know what I get behind closed doors?  Blacksword is a dark horse!  No stranger to BSS..

BSS goes over my head everytime, and I like to think I've given it a fair hearing. Still prefer Tarkus. I would regard that as a masterpiece if it wasn't for the throw away songs and that time wasting hymn. But, like I said it's all a matter of opinion.

But, you do get the award for the days best joke: 'I've never considered any album by Genesis or Rush as masterpieces'

Crazy American humour!!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 16:05
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...

CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...

Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...

No Genesis albums masterpieces!!?? My god, repent oh blasephemous one! Before the long reach of the prog gods strikes you down where you sit.

Listen to "Trespass" or "Seconds Out" , those are surprisingly good and one's that don't have so much Prog Archives political baggage attached to them.

But do repent...

Sorry... but a lot of Genesis bores me to tears...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:52
I don't know why people get so worked up about TfTO - YES. A change of direction too far methinks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:41
Thanks, Tony F.

Great Big Sea are OK, although their stuff is getting much more pop and
less folk of late, and therefore less interesting IMHO. The singer is
cowriting songs with Russell Crowe... eek. I've seen them live, they're
quite dynamic.

Great Big Sea's heros the Oysterband are the best Celtic rock band, I
think. Of the new ones, anyway. Steeleye Span are my favourite of the old
ones. I once saw Runrig live...Toronto's entire Scottish community
seemed to be there.

I don't know much about Gerry Rafferty. He was in Stealer's Wheel, right?

You are right about Camel...none of their albums are perfect, but every
one has a few gems on it. I'm really fond of Richard Sinclair, so his two
albums with Camel are the best to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:20

Heptade, you are man of taste.

I think Rain Dances is brilliant too, as are Nude and Mirage. IMHO there are just little bits you could tinker with here and there and it might turn out better - but not much.

I hesitated to nominate Runrig's Recovery because it definitely isn't prog (Celtic Folk Rock), but it is utterly wonderful, as are Heartland, The Big Wheel and The Stamping Ground too.

Sleepwalking is almost unheard of by many who associate Rafferty with City to City, Night Owl and other (admittedly classy) pop rock. This is later, more mature and complex and pure prog bliss, comparing well with anything by the giants of this site.

And there's a Canadian band called Great Big Sea who made a live album called Road Rage which is a masterpiece of folk-pop-traditional. Heard of them?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:17
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...

CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...

Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...

No Genesis albums masterpieces!!?? My god, repent oh blasephemous one! Before the long reach of the prog gods strikes you down where you sit.

Listen to "Trespass" or "Seconds Out" , those are surprisingly good and one's that don't have so much Prog Archives political baggage attached to them.

But do repent...

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:13

King Crimson- Red, the song; It repeats about 3 different riffs the entire time (except the middle section which I like). You would think KC would have SOMETHING soloing over the riffs.

Yes- The Yes Album; I just don't understand the big deal at all, except for the fact that Yes founded their sound on it

CTTE (the song) is just a tad overrated given that it could be shortened since the SAME EXACT THING is played three times except for different bass lines in two of them. I don't understand the backlash against TFTO but none against this (I still do like the song).

And Dark Side of the Moon just because it's not as good as everyone says it is



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:11
Grave New World is indeed a masterpiece. Nothing sounds quite like it.

I think Recovery is Runrig's masterpiece, but all their albums are good,
but oops, not prog, I guess.

I'm one of the very few people in this world that thinks Rain Dances is
Camel's best. Hey, those are all good choices. Argus is great too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:11

I've never considered any Genesis or Rush albums as masterpieces...

CTTE, Trilogy and BSS are masterpieces...

Blacksword never gets anything... much less BSS...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:04

6 true masterpieces (IMHO) noone has mentioned:

Horslips - the Tain (Book of Invasions also, maybe)

Camel - The Snow Goose (Moonmadness also, but it has been mentioned)

Gerry Rafferty - Sleepwalking (definitely prog but not on this site!)

Wishbone Ash - Argus (not prog)

Strawbs - Grave New World

Runrig - Proterra (not prog but not far off - more Celtic rock)

Why masterpieces? Try improving on ANY of these. They hold your attention from start to finish and there are absolutely no fillers or duff tracks.

Of the albums listed by others (of which I have nearly all) only Selling England is a masterpiece and then only if you omit More Fool Me! Oh, and maybe Foxtrot.

But it's all a matter of opinion. Why not try some albums on this list and those of others you haven't heard? You might find something new.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:01

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

1.Fragile
2.CTTE/The yes album
What's left is from very bad to average

I used to think that way...but since have changed my mind. Relayer, though at times odd, is not just average. Going For the One is much better than average. TFTO is better than average. The first two Yes albums are actually very good. Put on the first album (the Rhino CD would be better) really listen to it. Most of it is awesome fiery complex rock.

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:56
I really love Marillion (most of their stuff, anyway) and I like Marbles, but
no way it's a masterpiece.

Also, despite concerted efforts, I never could get into Anglagard. It just
doesn't draw me in. I know lots of people think they're the cat's pyjamas.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:55
1.Fragile
2.CTTE/The yes album
What's left is from very bad to average
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:50
Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

Originally posted by Titan Titan wrote:

Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)

I Agree

I Disagree

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:48
No!
Fragile is the best, by far!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:47
Originally posted by Titan Titan wrote:

Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)

I Agree

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:35
hi everybody

I think most of the top 50 album can be considered as real masterpieces.
However I have a problem to give away a masterpiece status right away
esp. for new releases.
Because if you listen to an album with out prejudice after some years,
then you will disciver whether it has riped and aged with grace.

From this point of view e.g.
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Dream Theater - Train of thought

are good but overrated albums. give them a try again in 5 years.

p.s. this does not necessarily mean that only old stuff is good stuff and
sorry for my crappy english


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:44
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

not masterpiece at all:

tales from topog

lamb lies down

farewell to kings

Wrong,

Wrong,

and ,right 

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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