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OldFatherThames 
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 Posted: September 28 2005 at 11:26 |
 Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Even if it's not science fiction !! Who cares ! If they talk about monkey of Africa or whatever ! I still think their idea being ridiculous...that's what I say !! But if it's science fiction, it's even weakest !! If you still don't understand my point of view, I can make you a draw.
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Your point was that you don't like Magma (which is your own business) because you think writing lyrics in a created language is stupid. My point is that since you don't understand the lyrics, how can you say that's stupid? A drawing would be appreciated. 
And, yes I got it. You don't like science-ficiton. But that's not the subject of this discussion.
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I don't say the content of the lyrics are stupid. Maybe what they say is the greatest poetry of all time ! I don' know and I don't care. I just don't like their concept of creating a langage...THAT'S my point !!
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Doesburger
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 11:17 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
Even if it's not science fiction !! Who cares ! If they talk about monkey of Africa or whatever ! I still think their idea being ridiculous...that's what I say !! But if it's science fiction, it's even weakest !! If you still don't understand my point of view, I can make you a draw.
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Your point was that you don't like Magma (which is your own business) because you think writing lyrics in a created language is stupid. My point is that since you don't understand the lyrics, how can you say that's stupid? A drawing would be appreciated.
And, yes I got it. You don't like science-ficiton. But that's not the subject of this discussion.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:58 |
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Magma is fun. Zeuhl is fun!
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:57 |
Even if it's not science fiction !! Who cares ! If they talk about monkey of Africa or whatever ! I still think their idea being ridiculous...that's what I say !! But if it's science fiction, it's even weakest !! If you still don't understand my point of view, I can make you a draw.
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Doesburger
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:44 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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I'll reverse the question... what don't you like about it? What makes you think it's nonsense language?
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Maybe it make sense for Them but it doesn't for us, so we cannot understand what they are saying. What I don't like ? I just find it to be a stupid idea. They try to be original, but I think they went too far on their originality, which make their concept ridiculous. And if the langage make sense, it's probably a story about alien, or science fiction like that, I don't know !! Like I said before, I absolutely hate science fiction, which doesn't help me to appreciate this strange and IMO boring band.
And you, what do you find so genious about this band and especially their weird concept ?
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Hungarian probably wouldn't make sense to you either, but would you condemn a Hungarian band for it?
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Hungarian is a langage ! Magma create a langage to have a kind of science fiction concept which I think is a bit stupid, that's all ! It's my opinion !!
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You don't understand the 'lyrics' and still you come up with this idea (the idea of someone else, you said, but still) that it's science fiction. How can you tell?
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:38 |
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Magma's ideas have always been very personal, though very weird... but that is part of what makes the band great... They invented their own language as a part of their concept, surely they'll never be equaled...
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I'm a Man-Owl-Fish.
Creator-Observer-Muse.
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:34 |
BaldFriede wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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I'll reverse the question... what don't you like about it? What makes you think it's nonsense language?
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Maybe it make sense for Them but it doesn't for us, so we cannot understand what they are saying. What I don't like ? I just find it to be a stupid idea. They try to be original, but I think they went too far on their originality, which make their concept ridiculous. And if the langage make sense, it's probably a story about alien, or science fiction like that, I don't know !! Like I said before, I absolutely hate science fiction, which doesn't help me to appreciate this strange and IMO boring band.
And you, what do you find so genious about this band and especially their weird concept ?
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Hungarian probably wouldn't make sense to you either, but would you condemn a Hungarian band for it?
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Hungarian is a langage ! Magma create a langage to have a kind of science fiction concept which I think is a bit stupid, that's all ! It's my opinion !!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:30 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of
new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created
that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their
music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really
don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just
find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is
it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a
science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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I'll reverse the question... what don't you like about it? What makes you think it's nonsense language?
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Maybe it make sense for Them but it doesn't for us, so we cannot
understand what they are saying. What I don't like ? I just find it
to be a stupid idea. They try to be original, but I think
they went too far on their originality, which make their concept
ridiculous. And if the langage make sense, it's probably a story about
alien, or science fiction like that, I don't know !! Like I said
before, I absolutely hate science fiction, which doesn't help me to
appreciate this strange and IMO boring band.
And you, what do you find so genious about this band and especially their weird concept ? |
Hungarian probably wouldn't make sense to you either, but would you condemn a Hungarian band for it?
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:23 |
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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I'll reverse the question... what don't you like about it? What makes you think it's nonsense language?
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Maybe it make sense for Them but it doesn't for us, so we cannot understand what they are saying. What I don't like ? I just find it to be a stupid idea. They try to be original, but I think they went too far on their originality, which make their concept ridiculous. And if the langage make sense, it's probably a story about alien, or science fiction like that, I don't know !! Like I said before, I absolutely hate science fiction, which doesn't help me to appreciate this strange and IMO boring band.
And you, what do you find so genious about this band and especially their weird concept ?
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Doesburger
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 10:12 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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I'll reverse the question... what don't you like about it? What makes you think it's nonsense language?
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 09:30 |
Doesburger wrote:
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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I reverse the question...what do you like about it ? I just find it to be a stupid idea to speak in a non sense langage. Why ?? Is it bring something to the music ? Like someone said before, it's like a science fiction concept, and I absolutely hate science fiction !
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Doesburger
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 09:13 |
OldFatherThames wrote:
Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band ! |
OK, I'll bite. What is so stupid about it? Or is it because you don't understand the 'words'?
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OldFatherThames
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 08:55 |
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Personnaly, I really think their concept of new language is absolutely stupid !! Why did they created that ?? It make the music three times weakest ! I don' like their music either...maybe some good points, but not a lot. No.....I really don't like his band !
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BaldFriede
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 08:02 |
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The first Magma album I heard was "Üdü Wüdü", and I loved it immediately.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Rob The Good
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 07:46 |
I love Magma, probably because I came across them at a time when I "needed something different". They really struck a chord with the whole jazz opera schtick. 
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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chopper
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 07:38 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I'm listening to "Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanik" by Magma that I downloaded from the site!
Whats that all about then?
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Me too. I haven't been able to get into it at all.
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Bob Greece
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 05:31 |
ummagumma08 wrote:
HORTZ FUR DEHN STEHKEN WEST
HORTZ ZI WEHR DUNT DA HERTZ
HORTZ DA FELT DOS FUNKEHR
HORTZ ZEBEHN DE GEUSTAAH
HORTZ WIRT TLAIT UTS MITLAIT
HORTZ WIRT TLAIT UTS MITLAIT
HORTZ WIRT TLAIT UTS MITLAIT
HORTZ WIRT TLAIT UTS MITLAIT
HORTZ FUR DEHN STEHKEN WEST
HORTZ DA FELT DOS FUNKEHR
HORTZ ZEBEHN DE GEUSTAAH
HORTZ WLASIK KOBAIA (twice)
Fuh mehn fuhl ehndoh litaah , ehndoh litaah, ehndoh litaah (4 times)
Dowisehndo siwehn do loi, siwehn do soi, iuwahn sin doh (4 times)
Iss iss wihl iss wowosehndo (4 times)
Dowisehndo siwehn do loi, siwehn do soi, iuwahn sin doh (twice)
Iss iss wihl iss wowosehndo, iss iss wihl iss wiwidondai (twice)
Wiwidondai (8 times)
owerïsi wehlo woseweh, owerisi wehlo woseweh (16 times)
Fuh mehn fuhl ehndoh litaah , ehndoh litaah, ehndoh litaah (16 times)
Fuh mehn fuhl ehndoh litaah (4 times)
Ioss owehri, oh oh rehbidoi (4 times)
eweleweh soi soi, eweleweh loi (4 times)
Ist iih dowehriso (8 times)
Ehl ehl ehl ehl ehl Wlasik KOBAIA (8 times)
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Can anyone translate this?
Also ... anyone here speak Vogon?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 05:11 |
mirco wrote:
I happen to download a bunch of canterbury and zheul songs from the archives, for make a compilation: Magma, National health, Gong, Picchio, Egg, Samla, Soft machine and Shub Niggurath. Very challenging to get from the beginning, but awesome stuff. Magma, very operatic: it brings to my mind memories of Carmina Burana. |
Good point about "Carmina Burana", because Magma are definitely influenced by Carl Orff.
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Hamatai
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 04:57 |
Syzygy wrote:
IMO the studio album which captures Magma best is
Kontarkhosz, which has elements of the earlier, jazzy Magma mixed in
with the trademark style of MDK. Live - Hhai also features a stunning
version of Kontarkhosz, and is probably the best place for newbies to
start.
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I completely agree.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 20:11 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
It's amazing. Over the last month I have done a complete 180, and have changed my opinion on Magma. It's not all that bad. It does need some serious adjustment time though.
I've been listening to Hhai (Live), MDK, and 1001 Degrees C,
they are all good. I can't tell if I really like them, or if I am
just fascinated by them. It is just so f*cking strange!
Never heard anything like it. Similarly, I have also started to
like some of Univers Zero's output, especially Ceux Des Hors (1983). Very captivating album once you adjust.
Still haven't been able to appreciate Henry Cow. 
I still don't hold any of this stuff in as high regard as the
better symphonic stuff, it gets a little repetitive, but once you
adjust, It's not bad!
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