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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 16:37
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

Originally posted by whydontyoueatcarrots whydontyoueatcarrots wrote:

This Heat - Deceit.

On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.

I'm surprised this has been the only mention of This Heat so far. They seem like they would be the most appealing to fans of prog/kraut. I much prefer this brand of post punk to the poppier forms.

Other great post-punk bands that have some avant-rock tendencies are Pere Ubu (mentioned before) and The Pop Group. Thumbs Up
This Heat are already on the site, which is maybe why they haven't been mentioned much.
 
I absolutely agree about Pere Ubu - still going strong and still sporadically wonderful - and also David Thomas' solo projects, which have featured RIO musicians like Chris Cutler and Lindsay Cooper (there's quite a lot available on emusic). The Pop Group were also fabulous, and don't forget the spin offs Rip Rig and Panic and Pigbag.
 
One band that hasn't been mentioned is Scritti Politti - their early recordings were very angular post punk, now compiled on the CD 'Early', and the first album proper 'Songs To Remember' is very much of a piece with Robert Wyatt's 80s output (in fact Wyatt puts in a guest appearance). After that they became increasingly glossy and commercial until they re-emerged a couple of years back with White Bread, Black Beer, which was a return of sorts to their DIY roots.
 
As for The Fall, I'm definitely a fan - I particularly recommend Grotesque and Hex Enduction Hour. I'm currently reading Mark E Smith's sort of autobiography and it's a riot. Persevere with them, they'll make sense eventually.
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Points: 1594 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 14:32
Originally posted by theBox theBox wrote:

I can't believe I'm always the ONLY one who is  recommending AND ALSO THE TREES!!!!! Best post punk/new wave/ dark wave band EVER! Check out "Farewell to the shade", "the millpond years", "virus meadow", "green is the sea".

edit: oh...and how could I forget...

The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge
Sad Lovers And Giants - Epic Garden Music
 
I saw And Also The Trees support The Cure around 1984/5. I think I've still got a badge somewhere.
 
I bought quite a few Chameleons albums when they were first reissued some years ago, great band!
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 11:57
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Listened to Magazine - Real Life earlier. Fantastic. Thanks to the many many many of you who recommended that one!


Brilliant album. Their second album is a more polished affair....bit Floydy, bit Roxy Musicy. Great though.

As for XTC, try their second album Go Too.....its really spikey! Also the superb pastoral English Settlement.
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 11:04
Listened to Magazine - Real Life earlier. Fantastic. Thanks to the many many many of you who recommended that one!
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 02:07
^ that would be like thinking Marillion were one of the early Prog bands - which from 30 years later is technically but not historically correct.
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Points: 2822 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 20:16
Hmmm.... something must be wrong with me, because when I think of post-punk, I think of bands like Fugazi and fIREHOSE.
 
 
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
 
Thanks Dean.  And what is Darkwave? LOL
Originally - any dark new wave (so pre-Gothic);  - so just about any band could be tagged, just as practically any new wave band can be tagged post punk if you think about it for too long; from the 90s on, it has been more narrowly confined electro-oriented Gothic.
 
Yes. Thanks. Now I know everything I need to know. Confused 
 
In addition not mentioned before
 
Ta daaaa  Essential Logic (Marvelous) Not Darkwave or Nowave or Coldwave
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:48
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
 
Thanks Dean.  And what is Darkwave? LOL
Originally - any dark new wave (so pre-Gothic);  - so just about any band could be tagged, just as practically any new wave band can be tagged post punk if you think about it for too long; from the 90s on, it has been more narrowly confined electro-oriented Gothic.

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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
 
Thanks Dean.  And what is Darkwave? LOL
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^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:06
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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And I can't believe that people throw in the same bag cold-wave/gothic/batcave, new wave and post-punk. All 3 are very different.
 
Very few of us gave examples of post-punk.
 
Script of the bridge (in my sig BTW) sounds like a cross between U2 and Cure, it belongs to cold-wave and I don't really see the connection between them and the experimental music of post-punk representatives : This Heat, Rip rig & Panic, 23 skidoo, The Pop Group, PIL...
 
If confusing new-wave, cold-wave and post-punk, we could cite as well Mission, New Order, Death Cult, Play Dead, Sex Gang Children, Skeletal Family, New Model Army, Furyo...
 
I actually think most of the posts have been pretty good here.  Defining post-punk can be pretty difficult and I would agree some bands wouldn't fit IMO U2 don't fall in here and you would be right not to put Mission here - nothing to do with post punk. But The Sex Gang Children for Example when I started to go and see them were called 'Positive Punk' and could easily be descibed as post punk.   No such thing as Gothic yet.
 
What is Cold Wave anyway?  scuse my ignorance I am interested to know.  If The Cure come into this then you wouldn't have heard their first album (And it was albums in the thread title) which could easily again be post punk whatever your description.  Tongue
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And I can't believe that people throw in the same bag cold-wave/gothic/batcave, new wave and post-punk. All 3 are very different.
 
Very few of us gave examples of post-punk.
 
Script of the bridge (in my sig BTW) sounds like a cross between U2 and Cure, it belongs to cold-wave and I don't really see the connection between them and the experimental music of post-punk representatives : This Heat, Rip rig & Panic, 23 skidoo, The Pop Group, PIL...
 
If confusing new-wave, cold-wave and post-punk, we could cite as well Mission, New Order, Death Cult, Play Dead, Sex Gang Children, Skeletal Family, New Model Army, Furyo...
 
 
 
 


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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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I can't believe I'm always the ONLY one who is  recommending AND ALSO THE TREES!!!!! Best post punk/new wave/ dark wave band EVER! Check out "Farewell to the shade", "the millpond years", "virus meadow", "green is the sea".

edit: oh...and how could I forget...

The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge
Sad Lovers And Giants - Epic Garden Music


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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 19:34
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You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care.
the damned - black album
james chance and the contortions
nomeansno - wrong
the lounge lizards
john zorn and painkiller
Virus
Voivod
 
and I am not an expert so the list can be very long if we dig further
 
Coming back to the topic :
this heat - deceit
23 skidoo - 7 songs
A certain ratio - shack up / and then again
The slits - cut (with Budgie on drums)
Throbbing Gristle - 20 jazz funk greats
The Pop Group - Y
gangof four - return the gift
K.U.K.L. - the eye
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Points: 1319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 19:25
Originally posted by whydontyoueatcarrots whydontyoueatcarrots wrote:

This Heat - Deceit.

On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.

I'm surprised this has been the only mention of This Heat so far. They seem like they would be the most appealing to fans of prog/kraut. I much prefer this brand of post punk to the poppier forms.

Other great post-punk bands that have some avant-rock tendencies are Pere Ubu (mentioned before) and The Pop Group. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


U2- October (yes, really)


All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums. Clap
Like Talking Heads before them, once B Eno got involved it all went to pot as far as I'm concerned, but certainly Boy & October are great albums, but I wouldn't call War post-punk really.
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Points: 10665 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:18
Been dipping my toes in post-punk pretty much regularly the last 4-5 months or so. Liking quite a lot of what I hear, but haven't really given it the time and concentration it needs. Great thread! Thumbs Up
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Points: 34055 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:10
new Killing Joke album april 2010 Big smile
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Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs)
The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds
Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here
Television - (anything and everything)
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope
Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah)
Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies
Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West
The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs
Magazine - (anything and everything)
U2- October (yes, really)
Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave
XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp)
The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder
The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room
The Cocteau Twins - Garlands
The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony
Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain
Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)

The list goes on...




That list doesn't have Bauhaus so it doesn't count LOL


You clearly have a keener memory than myself. Wink
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:48
I don't think Japan ,....Sorry what was that you said?
 
Yep I realise that's why I said they must be the exception to the rule.
 
Well done for getting them on though.


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