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Aaron

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Posted: May 27 2005 at 10:19

i still think they are a prog band

Aaron

salmacis

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Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:57

I actually like the 'Born Again' album- its a great deal of fun, plus I like preposterous heavy metal!

Though yes, I have heard Gillan doing old Sabbath stuff, and it's simply terrible! Ian Gillan does evil cackles all over 'Black Sabbath'- extremely funny! He also murders 'Children Of The Grave' and 'War Pigs', and goes way overboard on 'Heaven And Hell'.

Still at least Gillan could admit he wasn't right for the job; he once said 'I was the worst singer Sabbath ever had'!

My fave albums are:

1- BLACK SABBATH VOLUME 4

2- PARANOID

3- BLACK SABBATH

4- MASTER OF REALITY

5- SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH

6- HEAVEN AND HELL

7- MOB RULES

8- ETERNAL IDOL (some brilliant songs- check the title track; amazing!)

Blacksword View Drop Down

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:36

Jim Garten wrote:

Certif1ed wrote:

Gillan + Sabbath was a bit of a joke wasn't it? Especially with the replica Stonehenge and "Smoke on the Water"... what were they thinking?

You were at Reading 1983 as well, weren't you?

Oh lord, I heard that show on the radio courtesy of Tommy Vance, I believe. It sounded hilarious! The Born Again album was a monstrosity, a crime against rock music. It undid all the good work I had done at school trying to convince my peers that heavy metal wasn't cliche ridden rubbish. That album scuppered my effort!

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:34

Sabotage
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Technical Ecstasy
Heaven & Hell
Mob Rules

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:06

Certif1ed wrote:

Gillan + Sabbath was a bit of a joke wasn't it? Especially with the replica Stonehenge and "Smoke on the Water"... what were they thinking?

You were at Reading 1983 as well, weren't you?

Jon Lord 1941 - 2012

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Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:40

I have only Master Of Reality and I like it.

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Posted: May 20 2005 at 08:17

Paranoid and the debut are definitely my fave. Other albums do not allow so much instrumental interplay because of shorter song structures.

Heaven and Hell is also a classic. (enjoyed Live Evil with Dio doing the Ozzy era classics)

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

Intruder

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Posted: May 20 2005 at 07:27

Can only listen to the first three LPs....after that the formula crumbled and the band, esp. Oz, began their careers of self-parodists (is that even a word?).

Love that "Sweet Leaf"!

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....

Man Erg

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Posted: May 20 2005 at 06:51

1.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (Spiral Architect,SBS,Looking for Today - Wakeman on synth.Excellent)

=2.Vol 4 (Wheels of Confusion,Snowblind - Mellotrons!)

=2.Paranoid (War Pigs,Iron Man,Paranoid but incs Rat Salad

)

4.Sabotage (Megalomania,Hole in the Sky,The Writ.Production maybe a bit too clean?)

5.Black Sabbath (Behind the Wall of Sleep,Warning,NIB - Early,bluesier days.Finding their sound,)

6.Masters of Reality (Children of the Grave,Into the Void,Sweet Leaf - Let down by poor production)

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.

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Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:05

My top 5 are in this order:

1.Sabotage

2.Between Heaven And Hell

3.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

4.Master Of Reality

5.Paranoid

AngelRat

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Posted: May 18 2005 at 16:10

Everything up 'til 'Sabotage'.

I'm not a big fan of Dio's voice, although the 2 albums with him are very strong. Some of the Tony Martin stuff is pretty good too (like 'Headless Cross'), but after all I prefer the first 6 albums.

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Posted: May 18 2005 at 15:28

Gillan + Sabbath was a bit of a joke wasn't it? Especially with the replica Stonehenge and "Smoke on the Water"... what were they thinking?

I have to say that "Heaven and Hell" is my all-time Sabbath favourite - RJD has one of the best voices in all of rockdom, even if the little Elf does keep singing about bl**dy Rainbows all the time! "Turn Up The Night" just knocked me sideways when I first heard it - what a powerful riff!

Following that is "Paranoid" (for every track except the title...), "Black Sabbath", then "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", then "Master...".

I still don't like "Technical Ecstasy", and "Mob Rules" sounds too much like more of the same after "Heaven and Hell". "Vol 4" I can generally take or leave.

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Posted: May 18 2005 at 11:48

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Sabotage > Born Again > Mob Rules > Master Of Reality

felixxx

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Posted: May 14 2005 at 15:08

SABOTAGE

Trotsky

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Posted: May 14 2005 at 11:26

1. Paranoid
2. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
3. Master of Reality
4. Sabotage
5. Black Sabbath

I enjoyed almost everything the Ozzy line-up gave us, even Technical Ectasy and the majority of Never Say Die, but I do think the Dio era Sabbath years are overrated ... inferior to both Ozzy era Sabbath and Dio era Rainbow methinks ...

"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”

"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."

Arsillus

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Posted: May 14 2005 at 10:26

In no particular order...

Master Of Reality

Paranoid

Dehumanizer

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

Black Sabbath

I like the Ozzy-era Sabbath, but Dio-ero produced some pretty cool stuff too. So it's a tie.

James Lee

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Posted: May 13 2005 at 11:00

1) Master of Reality, 2) Paranoid, and 3) Black Sabbath.

That's all...I don't dislike the later Ozzy-led albums or the Gillian and RJD stuff, but nothing after MoR ever really got me excited the way those first three albums did.

PROGMAN

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Posted: May 13 2005 at 09:31

I am also a keen Black Sabbath listener:

1. Paranoid

2. Black Sabbath

3. Sabotage

4. Technical Ecstasy

5. Master of Reality

CYMRU AM BYTH

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Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:33

Curiously, nobody has mentioned the Ian Gillan lineup.

Sabbath are one of my favorite all time bands, one I can go back to time after time, without finding them irritating.

In my humble opinion, Tony Iommi is one of the most under-rated guitarists in rock music - this isn't to say he's a virtuoso, far from it, but as a blues based heavy metal guitarist, he influenced the sound of scores of bands over the years, and came up with some of the most memorable riffs these jaded ears have ever heard.

Personal favorites...?

'The Writ'

'NIB'

'Planet Caravan'*

'Die Young' (or, as we used to say in the Heavy Metal clubs - "Angus Young's Welsh cousin", hur, hur, hur)

...and the absolutely stonking:

'Into The Void'

*I'm currently looking into a way of mixing 'Planet Caravan' into a chill-out set - I think it'll work...

Jon Lord 1941 - 2012

Ben2112

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Posted: May 13 2005 at 00:19

I love Sabbath!

My favorite album has always been the debut. I love the previously unheard-of notion of transforming good old blue based rock into something infinitely evil & sinister. Wicked World rocks!