Black Sabbath
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Topic: Black Sabbath
Posted By: Logos
Subject: Black Sabbath
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 13:26
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What's your favourite Sabbath album? And do you prefer the Ozzy-era or the Dio-era (which was quite short but produced some great music)? Well ok, I guess the latter question was really silly as most people will naturally prefer the Ozzy-era albums, since they're the greatest heavy metal abums ever!! My top 5 is probably something like this.. 1. Paranoid 2. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 3. Master of Reality 4. Black Sabbath 5. Heaven and Hell |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 13:39
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 14:51
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"Sabotage". Has tho be their most progressive album too. "Megalomania" and "The writ" are excellent prog metal. Didn't Rick Wakeman play on "Sabbath bloody sabbath" if I remember correctly? |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 16:29
I've always considered Ozzy & Dio to be completely different, and consequently, the Sabs were really two different bands which can't easily be compared. I heard a fabulous Fates Warning cover of 'Sign of the Southern Cross' a couple of days ago, which reminded me how much I used to enjoy that track when I was younger. Favourite Ozzy Album? Possibly Masters of Reality.... ... 'do you want to see the Pope on the end of a rope, do you think he's a fool?'------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Grimm
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 22:58
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I'm more a fan of the Dio Sabbath, which has been accused of releasing two good but uninspiring albums. I think they were a much tighter band with Dio, and had Tony and Ron gotten along a little better this lineup could have been as big as they were with Ozzy. 1) Mob Rules 2) Black Sabbath 3) Heaven and Hell 4) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 5) Sabotage ------------- Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be or seem to be self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 00:16
Yes, in "Sabbra Cadabra". But Tony Iommi played lots of keyboards himself, even the good old mellotron! |
Easy Livin wrote:Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 00:19
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I love Sabbath!
My favorite album has always been the debut. I love the previously unheard-of notion of transforming good old blue based rock into something infinitely evil & sinister. Wicked World rocks! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 03:33
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Curiously, nobody has mentioned the Ian Gillan lineup.
Sabbath are one of my favorite all time bands, one I can go back to time after time, without finding them irritating. In my humble opinion, Tony Iommi is one of the most under-rated guitarists in rock music - this isn't to say he's a virtuoso, far from it, but as a blues based heavy metal guitarist, he influenced the sound of scores of bands over the years, and came up with some of the most memorable riffs these jaded ears have ever heard. Personal favorites...? 'The Writ' 'NIB' 'Planet Caravan'* 'Die Young' (or, as we used to say in the Heavy Metal clubs - "Angus Young's Welsh cousin", hur, hur, hur) ...and the absolutely stonking: 'Into The Void' *I'm currently looking into a way of mixing 'Planet Caravan' into a chill-out set - I think it'll work... ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 09:31
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I am also a keen Black Sabbath listener: 1. Paranoid 2. Black Sabbath 3. Sabotage 4. Technical Ecstasy 5. Master of Reality
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: May 13 2005 at 11:00
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1) Master of Reality, 2) Paranoid, and 3) Black Sabbath. That's all...I don't dislike the later Ozzy-led albums or the Gillian and RJD stuff, but nothing after MoR ever really got me excited the way those first three albums did. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: May 14 2005 at 10:26
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In no particular order... Master Of Reality Paranoid Dehumanizer Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Black Sabbath I like the Ozzy-era Sabbath, but Dio-ero produced some pretty cool stuff too. So it's a tie.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: May 14 2005 at 11:26
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1. Paranoid 2. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 3. Master of Reality 4. Sabotage 5. Black Sabbath I enjoyed almost everything the Ozzy line-up gave us, even Technical Ectasy and the majority of Never Say Die, but I do think the Dio era Sabbath years are overrated ... inferior to both Ozzy era Sabbath and Dio era Rainbow methinks ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: May 14 2005 at 15:08
SABOTAGE
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 11:48
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Sabotage > Born Again > Mob Rules > Master Of Reality ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 15:28
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Gillan + Sabbath was a bit of a joke wasn't it? Especially with the replica Stonehenge and "Smoke on the Water"... what were they thinking? I have to say that "Heaven and Hell" is my all-time Sabbath favourite - RJD has one of the best voices in all of rockdom, even if the little Elf does keep singing about bl**dy Rainbows all the time! "Turn Up The Night" just knocked me sideways when I first heard it - what a powerful riff! Following that is "Paranoid" (for every track except the title...), "Black Sabbath", then "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", then "Master...". I still don't like "Technical Ecstasy", and "Mob Rules" sounds too much like more of the same after "Heaven and Hell". "Vol 4" I can generally take or leave. |
Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: May 18 2005 at 16:10
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Everything up 'til 'Sabotage'. I'm not a big fan of Dio's voice, although the 2 albums with him are very strong. Some of the Tony Martin stuff is pretty good too (like 'Headless Cross'), but after all I prefer the first 6 albums. -------------  |
Posted By: pedro roqueiro
Date Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:05
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My top 5 are in this order: 1.Sabotage 2.Between Heaven And Hell 3.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 4.Master Of Reality 5.Paranoid |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 06:51
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1.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (Spiral Architect,SBS,Looking for Today - Wakeman on synth.Excellent) =2.Vol 4 (Wheels of Confusion,Snowblind - Mellotrons!) =2.Paranoid (War Pigs,Iron Man,Paranoid but incs Rat Salad  )
4.Sabotage (Megalomania,Hole in the Sky,The Writ.Production maybe a bit too clean?) 5.Black Sabbath (Behind the Wall of Sleep,Warning,NIB - Early,bluesier days.Finding their sound,) 6.Masters of Reality (Children of the Grave,Into the Void,Sweet Leaf - Let down by poor production) ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 07:27
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Can only listen to the first three LPs....after that the formula crumbled and the band, esp. Oz, began their careers of self-parodists (is that even a word?). Love that "Sweet Leaf"! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 08:17
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Paranoid and the debut are definitely my fave. Other albums do not allow so much instrumental interplay because of shorter song structures. Heaven and Hell is also a classic. (enjoyed Live Evil with Dio doing the Ozzy era classics) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: parrymason
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:40
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I have only Master Of Reality and I like it.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:06
You were at Reading 1983 as well, weren't you?  -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:34
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Sabotage
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:36
Oh lord, I heard that show on the radio courtesy of Tommy Vance, I believe. It sounded hilarious! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:57
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I actually like the 'Born Again' album- its a great deal of fun, plus I like preposterous heavy metal! Though yes, I have heard Gillan doing old Sabbath stuff, and it's simply terrible! Ian Gillan does evil cackles all over 'Black Sabbath'- extremely funny! He also murders 'Children Of The Grave' and 'War Pigs', and goes way overboard on 'Heaven And Hell'. Still at least Gillan could admit he wasn't right for the job; he once said 'I was the worst singer Sabbath ever had'! My fave albums are: 1- BLACK SABBATH VOLUME 4 2- PARANOID 3- BLACK SABBATH 4- MASTER OF REALITY 5- SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH 6- HEAVEN AND HELL 7- MOB RULES 8- ETERNAL IDOL (some brilliant songs- check the title track; amazing!) |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 10:19
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i still think they are a prog band Aaron |
Posted By: Sir Realist
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 10:24
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I've come to some appreciation of Black Sabbath, late in life, as a result of
my kids' interest. Ozzy's vocals are still anemic, but Iommi was brilliant in ways I didn't appreciate at the time. ------------- I can have double standards, and you can't |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 14:33
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Heaven and hell is my favorite despite it isn't real black Sabbath caus of DIO ------------- 
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 14:54
Of course it's real Sabbath. Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, not Ozzy... |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 16:45
| As Tony Iommi was the only constant in Sabbath throughout their chequered history, the above statement is true. Whilst the Ozzy material is deservedly the best loved and also the best material, I think the Dio albums are all superb metal albums too, and am surprised at the lack of bad albums in the catalogue- I guess you could argue 'Born Again' was but I love that album personally- though 'Seventh Star' is a bit flat in parts. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 09:56
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I have a copy of Sanctuary Records' remastered Paranoid CD, and I've noticed that the lyrics in the booklet are nowhere near the correct lyrics. Quite funny, and quite ridiculous at the same time. They might as well put the correct lyrics so the customers would get something for their moneys worth. What a shame! Anyone else noticed this?
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 15:23
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1. Paranoid 2. Master of Reality 3. Sabotage 4. Black Sabbath 5. Sabbath bloody Sabbath
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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:54
| Black Sabbath play in Athens in25 of june! I already bought the ticket and i can't wait to see them! |
Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:08
| I saw Black Sabbath live last weekend in Holland!!! WOW, I would have never imagined. |
Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:08
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Get ready for one amazing show. |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 14:51
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ozzy years: sabbath bloody sabbath/volume4 and master of reality dio years: heaven and hell/mob rules gillan years: the one and only born again (great album, horrible cover) tony martin years: headless cross and tyr in my opinion the best 5 albums of black sabbath are: 1) headless cross 2)heaven and hell 3) sabbath bloody sabbath 4)tyr 5) master of reality AND TONY MARTIN HAS A MUCH GREATER VOICE THAN OZZY  ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:04
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1.Sabotage 2.Paranoid 3.Vol.4 4.Master of Reality 5. Balck Sabbath
Without Ozzy black sabbath's just another rock band! |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 15:39
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1. Sabotage
2. Volume 4 3. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 4. Paranoid 4. Master of Reality |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 16:07
I like their 1st LP and Sabotage. You can also find an exelent movie from their Paris concert of 1970. 
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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 06:13
I saw them yesterday in Athens!WOOOOOW my best live experience ever, they still f**k!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 04:30
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Favourite non-Ozzy number= Anno Mundi ( Tony Martin ) Albums 1 Black Sabbath 2 Paranoid 3 Live Reunion 4 Vol.4 5 Mater of Reality Worst by far is Technical blah blah sh*t
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:28
Yeah, 'Technical Ecstasy', or 'Never Say Die' are by far the poorest Sabbath albums; yet people accept them just because Ozzy was in the line up, but neglect the far superior Dio/ Martin albums that followed those two dogs. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:46
| spot on |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: July 04 2005 at 04:52
| There's nothing wrong with Never Say Die. All the Dio albums are miles ahead tho. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 16:25
| Just played the Vol.4 album, won a place on my list. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 13:40
| Dehumanizer. |