How to rate an Iron Maiden album?

Logan wrote: Hawkwise wrote: Iron Maiden Prog ????  Now that's f**king funny. What are you laughing at? Had someone said that Iron Maiden is Prog?

Lots of people on this site think they are, and they have a right to their opinion without being ridiculed. People like that are definitely not an asset to any serious site.

Hawkwise wrote: Iron Maiden Prog ????  Now that's f**king funny.

Not only prog enough but with some great prog moments as well

Discussed this in another thread, but, if one takes the ratings descriptions seriously, I find some interesting points for discussion:

a) Prog-Related has albums that are arguably just as Prog as anything else, and personally, since this is a Prog site, I would generally rather rate those higher than albums I don't think are Prog in Prog Related.  Just because an album is in Prog Related, or Proto-Prog, doesn't mean the album is not Prog (and of course it could still be progressive rock without being Prog).

b) In the Prog categories, accoording to the descriptions, we are still supposed to rate according to an album's Prog quotient whereas in Prog Related we aren't asked to.  Of course there are many albums in Prog categories that are not really Prog,

c) The rock quotient: There are many albums in the archives that aren't really rock, but we are expected, according to the guidelines, to rate them lower if they are not rock.  So an album might be a maserpeice of progressive music, but because it's not rock it's rated lower.  I do agree that an album like Kind of Blue should probably be rated lower than Bitches Brew since Davis is here for his Fusion albums, but it still seems a bit unfair on those non-rock bands.  Should I rate Aranis lower, others in RIO, or bands in Electronic, and Folk, even if it's not best described as rock? Well, of course we artye according to the way a category works and, for instance, Aranis is accepted as Rock in Opposition (some bands have that element or attitude more submerged).  It's understandable that progressive rock would progress farther from its rock roots. In a way, I thought that non-progressive rock music was getting a bit of a free ride.  And now in Prog-Related if an album is rock but not progressive, or Prog, according to the guidelines it gets more of a free ride than a progressive album in Prog Related that is not rock.

d) Music can be deemed progressive rock without being deemed Progressive Rock. Not all Prog is progressive and not all progressive rock is Prog. Since it mentions "progressive rock" rather than Prog (or Progressive Rock) one can still rate it on progressiveness and not in some generic sense. That noun versus adjective progressive rock/ Progressive Rock thing.


Edited by Logan - September 17 2009 at 18:28

I just want to note that it was changed for Prog Related and Proto Prog:

Essential: a masterpiece of rock music

Excellent addition to any rock music collection

Good, but non-essential 

Collectors/fans only 

Poor. Only for completionists [sic]

EDIT: David got in a minute earlier.

Edited by Logan - September 17 2009 at 17:56

Just use the stars as they are defined, keeping in mind that a Prog Related album can never be an essential master piece of prog. Alle the others are valid options, and I reckon most will become 2 or 3 stars in the case of Maiden following that logic, with a few getting 4.

Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music

Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection

Good, but non-essential

Collectors/fans only

Poor. Only for completionists

Edited by Angelo - September 17 2009 at 17:49