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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:51 |
Vocally, It sounds more like the band's own "Stars Die".
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:46 |
You only have to look at my reviews to work that out!
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:41 |
russellk wrote:
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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And hopefully we both love Porcupine Tree?
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:34 |
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:23 |
russellk wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
russellk wrote:
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?
See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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Well, good thing I wasn't 'selling' it, then. It's just an opinion; doesn't have to be yours, and if I gave the impression that I was trying to force my opinions on others here, I do apologize. I do not ask anybody to 'buy' anything I say. All I ask is that they listen.
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:11 |
p0mt3 wrote:
russellk wrote:
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?
See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:43 |
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this.
However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep."
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Yeah, I think everybody hears 'Sheep' if they don't hear anything else. But like I say, I'm still excited about this song and whole album despite my initial reaction.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:39 |
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this.
However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep."
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:36 |
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:24 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:53 |
^ I have every intention of buying this album. I even enjoy this song. But to say it is anything but a carbon copy of a past song is (in my opinion) lying to oneself.
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Chris S
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:51 |
^ Why don't you judge the whole album in it's entirety when you have the chance or...............not play it. But give it a chance I reckon
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:46 |
russellk wrote:
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track? See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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Chris S
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:42 |
I honestly do not hear anything remotely " Dogs" like if anything, " Sheep"- the guitar riff at the end. But it's OK, comparisons and similarities are cool. It's not plagiarism just a great song IMO.
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:40 |
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:38 |
Both of you must not be hearing the same song that I am, then. Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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Chris S
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:37 |
One song, one word:
Superb
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<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:33 |
Yet another case of drawing far-reaching conclusions from insufficient material, in my opinion. All we can tell from this piece of music is what we think about this piece of music. And as for it being a carbon copy of anything, I wouldn't want to be using your photocopier. I respect the 'sounds-like' opinion, but it's not a copy.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 00:30 |
Take a look at the song overall...it's nothing like anything Pink Floyd ever did. Porcupine Tree stopped even sounding like a (better) Pink Floyd after The Sky Moves Sideways.
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JLocke
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:49 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on. |
Well, they haven't succeeded until now, my friend.
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