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goose 
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 Posted: May 07 2005 at 14:59 |
Let's not forget that one of the Henry Cow chaps was in Pere Ubu. Strange, strange band. Apparently those punks listen to them sometimes though 
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Moribund
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 14:55 |
 Mategra wrote:
I think the core of both prog and punk is rebellion against the average, boring, run-of-the-mill popular music. Prog tends to go towards refinement and complexity while punk tends to go towards rawness and simplicity. These two approaches may seem to contradict each other but they can be combined and the result can often be awesome.
Some of my favourite examples:
- PETER HAMMILL - Nadir's Big Chance
- PETER HAMMILL - The Future Now
- DOCTORS OF MADNESS - Figments of Emanicipation
- ROBERT FRIPP - Exposure (featuring P. Hammill, P. Gabriel a.o.)
- THE STRANGLERS - In Concert (feat. Hammill, Fripp, Steve Hillage a.o.)
- TOYAH - Sheep Farming in Barnet
- TOYAH - The Blue Meaning
- CARDIACS - The complete discography
- STUMP - A Fierce Pancake
- THINKING PLAGUE - A Thinking Plague
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At last - another Stump fan!!
Anyone ever heard The Very Things?
Marquee Moon, Early Ultravox, Police 1st Album, Velvet Underground anyone???!?, Stranglers Ratus Norvegicus, Specials 2nd (lost) album, Daevid Allen - Banana Moon (he INVENTED the punk vocal dont you know) & yes, early Floating Anarchy. And lets not forget Zappa's iconoclasm.
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New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres!
www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk
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Borealis
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 13:59 |
What about Instrumental Rap? 
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:04 |
Peter wrote:
Take Abbath wrote:
'Progressive Punk" is an oxymoron.
Like "Good Dream Theater".
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Or "progressive metal."
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Bah humbug!
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:04 |
James Lee wrote:
It's a good thing we have punk to blame, or maybe we'd
be forced to recognize that the original prog scene was
already starting to run out of steam... |
I guess that's true, the big bands were really done by that time. It was just a different era.
I don't think that classic period can ever happen again.
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:01 |
James Lee wrote:
I'd recommend Television's "Marquee Moon" |
Quite a good album. It is indeed punk, but not in the traditional sense. Verlaine is a pretty good guitarist as well.
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goose
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 09:44 |
Simply put, art punk is to punk as prog rock is to rock. Although the vast majority even of art punk bands aren't so inventive as first wave prog, I still like a fair bit. Nomeansno are an interesting listen (funky/jazz punk, although some of their material veers more toward straight up punk). Television have an original sound; although not progressive in a traditional sense, it tends to wander a bit (17 verses in a song?). People have mentioned the Cardiacs - like The Mars Volta they embrace prog in a more "traditional" sense. Ruins mix zeuhl with punk on their latest album, and even their earlier stuff is fairly original.
Math rock is more akin to punk than anything else, and if you're into odd time signatures, you'll find plenty there - there was a thread about this some time ago.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 07:41 |
The Cardiacs - they have been mentioned by several people - are a school-example of prog punk. Progpunk in the flesh.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 07:17 |
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I wouldnt trust mirrors if I were you! Be careful they'll suck you in!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 07:15 |
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If my mirror can be trusted then yes, it seems that way.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 07:07 |
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Yes but do your shoulders have a head on them?
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 06:59 |
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Just to further back up those who rightly say that Prog-Punk is NOT an
oxymoron - I'm listening to the Cardiacs right now, and if they're not
progressive punk then my legs don't have any feet on them.
(And just for reference, my legs do in fact have some feet - one on each, as is the standard fitting).
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 06:37 |
lostrom wrote:
The Stranglers, The Sound, Twelfth Night (?), Violent Femmes, Echo & the Bunnymen....close enough.. |
Echo and the Bunnymen...Punk?...never! ( not Television either)....in fact not even The Stranglers excepy for a couple of tracks.
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Mategra
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 05:25 |
I think the core of both prog and punk is rebellion against the average, boring, run-of-the-mill popular music. Prog tends to go towards refinement and complexity while punk tends to go towards rawness and simplicity. These two approaches may seem to contradict each other but they can be combined and the result can often be awesome.
Some of my favourite examples:
- PETER HAMMILL - Nadir's Big Chance
- PETER HAMMILL - The Future Now
- DOCTORS OF MADNESS - Figments of Emanicipation
- ROBERT FRIPP - Exposure (featuring P. Hammill, P. Gabriel a.o.)
- THE STRANGLERS - In Concert (feat. Hammill, Fripp, Steve Hillage a.o.)
- TOYAH - Sheep Farming in Barnet
- TOYAH - The Blue Meaning
- CARDIACS - The complete discography
- STUMP - A Fierce Pancake
- THINKING PLAGUE - A Thinking Plague
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Miaugion
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 05:06 |
Voivod:
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You house proud town mouse
ha ha, charade you are
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 03:41 |
Punk was just another fashion in a fenomenom, popular music, that was becoming more and more chained to "teen fashion" and the market. Punkers believed they were doing stuff against the market, instead they invented the 100 percent commercial musica, in the sense that you do't have to rellay "understand it", just buy it, and let's start the pogo dance.It's like potato chips, open them up and eat and shut up.
Anyway, here is a punk-prog album that strangely enough, nobody cited
Robert Fripp's "Exposure"
That's definitely it. Just listen to "Disengage" or the "ramounesque" "You burn me up a cigarette"......
If I think punk is commercial, this isn't strictly punk, just because Hammill screams like a madman and Fripps just rape his Les Paul. I think it's more of bringing down to the essential what the Crims has always done: fluctuating music between violence and love.
Great lp............
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 03:03 |
Only one band: Gong: Floating anarchy period
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James Lee
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 02:55 |
I just have to question the statement that punk was so in fashion that proggers couldn't get gigs...punk did not have a single high-grossing touring band, and no punk band ever sold albums in the numbers that AOR rock bands were selling before, during, or after the '77-'80 height of punk. Dark Side remained on the charts, and Rush continued to be selling out stadiums worldwide. So economically, it can't have been punk that killed prog. QED.
The 'damage' was mainly to the fashionable element...and let's face it, we progheads don't want anybody who isn't in it for the music, anyway! 
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Peter
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 00:25 |
Take Abbath wrote:
'Progressive Punk" is an oxymoron.
Like "Good Dream Theater".
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Or "progressive metal."
Edited by Peter
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 00:23 |
James Lee wrote:
It's a good thing we have punk to blame, or maybe we'd be forced to recognize that the original prog scene was already starting to run out of steam... |
Exactly!
The 80s (actually, approx 76-77 to 86-87) were NOT a lost decade, musically! The best of those so-called "hair" bands revitalized music, opened up the market, and broadened people's tastes.
That was the music of my late teens to mid 20s, and I had a GREAT time!
Edited by Peter
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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