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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 17:08
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Strummer was a closet fan of Yes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:19
There's a Finnish band called Eppu Normaali that I like. Their early albums were punk, but then they adopted a more subtle rock sound. They have written quite a few catchy tunes, and their humorous lyrics are great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 16:36
Originally posted by AlbertMond AlbertMond wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

The only metal sub-genre which would be highly influenced by Black Sabbath is Doom metal, but it has nothing in common with thrash, death or speed metal.
Seriously the connection between these bands : 
 
LOLWUT?
Sabbath influenced every metal sub-genre. The only even possible exceptions to this are Metalcore and Nu Metal, but that's only if you disregard second-hand influence. Heavy Metal, Doom Metal, Stoner Metal, Sludge, Gothic Metal, Glam Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, all bear their seal (witty reference!). If you think Sabbath had little or nothing in common with Thrash, you have to listen to stuff like "Paranoid," "Symptom of the Universe," and "Children of the Grave." Then, you can look at a few of the bands who've covered Sabbath. All four of the big four.


Glam Metal? Well, maybe you listed ONE genre too many.
But I agree with the rest of the post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 22:23
Sorry after listening one song  and onto the next the gimmick wears off for me and I just get bored with them. 
I think the 1970s NY scene was promising, Television etc sound interesting. Clash can be catchy had a few good ones. Strummer was a closet fan of Yes, but I still think the Clash are pretentious.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 22:16

I'm a Celtic Punk fan.

Anyway, I do like a bit of the Clash and the Ramones, but not much besides that.  Sex Pistols aren't my style at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 22:00
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

The only metal sub-genre which would be highly influenced by Black Sabbath is Doom metal, but it has nothing in common with thrash, death or speed metal.
Seriously the connection between these bands : 
 
LOLWUT?
Sabbath influenced every metal sub-genre. The only even possible exceptions to this are Metalcore and Nu Metal, but that's only if you disregard second-hand influence. Heavy Metal, Doom Metal, Stoner Metal, Sludge, Gothic Metal, Glam Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, all bear their seal (witty reference!). If you think Sabbath had little or nothing in common with Thrash, you have to listen to stuff like "Paranoid," "Symptom of the Universe," and "Children of the Grave." Then, you can look at a few of the bands who've covered Sabbath. All four of the big four.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 16:44
Dave Mustaine is an amazing musician from a bygone age, just as hardcore and punk are worthwhile relics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 04:03
In addition to what Lucas said, but I'm under the impression that lazland is not aware that the founding members of The Mars Volta were formed by former members of one of the most influential post hardcore bands of all time, At The Drive In. So to say The Mars Volta is not influenced by punk/hardcore is just absurd.
I listen to post hardcore daily and every single TMV album shows not just post hardcore influence but actual sections of post hardcore music.

Dave Mustaine, as we all now know as one of the thrash metal pioneers has cited hardcore punk bands as an influence for him musically (and arguably lifestyle wise, lol).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2009 at 04:48
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Sorry Lucas, couldn't disagree more. Thrash metal and death bands would, and indeed did, have mutated from stuff as far back as Sabbath in the early '70's.
Slayer's 'Undisputed attitutde' is an album of punk covers, "songs by bands that made Slayer what it is" according to Kerry King. The only metal sub-genre which would be highly influenced by Black Sabbath is Doom metal, but it has nothing in common with thrash, death or speed metal.
Seriously the connection between these bands :
 
and these ones :
 
is obvious.
 
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Mars Volta could be seen as a Crimson influenced band
 
ok for Tool, but Mars Volta ? This sounds more like a furious alternative rock band, say Smashing Pumpkins, with twisted rhythms. I know only 'de-loused in the comatorium' so my comparison is based on this album.
 
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

alternative rock has existed since the beginning of time
you can't deny punk paved the way to altenative rock. Here is a quote from wikipedia : Alternative rock consists of various subgenres that have emerged from the independent music scene since the 1980s, such as grunge, Britpop, gothic rock, and indie pop. These genres are unified by their collective debt to the style and/or ethos of punk rock, which laid the groundwork for alternative music in the 1970s.[1]
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2009 at 02:28
^If those are the only "punk bands of now" you know, you need to look.
Punk is still a creative force, but you gotta look for it, it doesn't come to you. I don't think there is anything you can do with "regular" punk anymore, but if you want to look for punk/hardcore bands that are truly experimental, with amazing musician, avant garde elements, experimental elements, it does exist.

If you' haven't already, listen to The Shape of Punk to Come by Refused, released in 1998. It's one of the most influential post hardcore records of all time and for good reason.
It totally changed the way I Iooked at punk and made me want to dig deeper into the genre.
Where many punk bands have just been rehashing the same 3 chords The Ramones used, Refused was part of a movement that totally broke away with that.
The sheer creativity of the album blows me away and still does 4 years after first hearing it and hearing it over 100 times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2009 at 23:47
I hate the "punk" bands of now.
Green Day, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Yellowcard ugh...I cant go on but the list does.

However, I do love a lot of old school punk and just regular punk.
I am a HUGE fan of Bad Religion. As well as Dead Kennedy's, The Casualties, Leftover Crack just to name a few.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2009 at 23:42
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by AlbertMond AlbertMond wrote:

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Lets stop discrediting bands for having influences, please. If you can find me some King Crimson and Rush that mixes prog with post hardcore influences, then please feel free to share it. LOL
 
The thing about that is anybody can make any type of music any time.
The above is a song from 1968. That said, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that it could have been influenced by the mid-late '80s black metal scene. However, it's safe to assume that -on a larger scale- they did it first.
 
I'm sorry about you CAN'T credit King Crimson and Rush for post hardcore.
 
I know some classic rock purists want to credit to credit 70s classic rock and prog bands for EVERYTHING, and they're really going overboard with it.
 
Crediting Ritchie Blackmore for punk rock is one of the more ridiculous examples of an argument someone once tried to make.
 
Not what I'm saying. I'm saying there were obviously very similar things from groups before said genres were 'established' that could potentially have made said genres entirely unnecessary for the existence of the sound that groups like that have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 15:55
M C 5.  Not saying their first, but Ramblin Rose is pretty straight punk and is performed as early as 1967
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 09:52

I can never feel what it was like in the seventies.

From what I heard from punks / new wavers, prog rock was so dominating that lots of young musicians couldn't have a place in the music spectrum.Then punk came and changed all that.
 
So any artist who could play three, or even two chords, suddenly could find an audience. Music was not intellectual anymore, but it was alive. The energy of rock was back. That's what you heard.
 
Also that prog stars, and people like Rod Stewart, the Rolling Stones and The Who became complacent. And were looking down on punks, being to big for their boots.
 
Now was it really like that, or was punk The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle? Just a way for young people to get heard? I don't know, because back in 1977 I was just moving from Slade and Mud to Queen, so to say.
 
I like reading interviews with people like Johnny Rotten and Bob Geldof: colourful people (Rotten still is) who made you think things over.
 
But the music? The Sex Pistols were probably a great live act, not because of the music, but because of the stage presence of Johnny Rotten especially.
 
Other bands did have some interesting music, like the Clash, who were very open to different kinds of influences.
 
Punk did provide a fertile ground for new wave, where some of the old punk dogma's were disappearing, like the absence of synths.
 
But as a musical style, I'm not a big fan of punk, probably never will be. Still, I like the energy of punk, from time to time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 09:15
Originally posted by AlbertMond AlbertMond wrote:

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Lets stop discrediting bands for having influences, please. If you can find me some King Crimson and Rush that mixes prog with post hardcore influences, then please feel free to share it. LOL
 
The thing about that is anybody can make any type of music any time.
The above is a song from 1968. That said, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that it could have been influenced by the mid-late '80s black metal scene. However, it's safe to assume that -on a larger scale- they did it first.
 
I'm sorry about you CAN'T credit King Crimson and Rush for post hardcore.
 
I know some classic rock purists want to credit to credit 70s classic rock and prog bands for EVERYTHING, and they're really going overboard with it.
 
Crediting Ritchie Blackmore for punk rock is one of the more ridiculous examples of an argument someone once tried to make.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 06:49
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Rant about prog and punk
 
Also, I think the 'redskin' punk group Angelic Upstarts is notable as sounding a bit prog-influenced.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 15:04
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Hey punk where you goin with that safety pin through your cheek?LOL
 
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Yes, me again maisondufromage.  I never put a safety pin through my cheek.  We just used to cut off a piece of the wire and then slot it over our lip so it just looked like it was through our cheek!
 
No not that cheekBig smile.

Hey, thanks for clearing that up for me. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:54
im a huge fan of the Post-punk band Killing joke they do things musicly unic that few other bands have done. none of  there albums sound as the previous...   I have 4 albums from this marvelos band
1 Killing joke (self titled debut from 1980)
2 Night Time from 85  a realy dark almoust gothic in feel very good album, not a bad track on this  record
3 Pandemonium  from 1994  realy good and majestic in sound and killer riffs from Geordie Walker
4 Hoseannas from the basements of Hell Evil Smile mohahahhah

killing joke kikk butt realy and have a minemalistic aproaoch but with a BIG sound and grate arangements and have influenced the hole grunge and hardcore scene all by them self (just ask Dave Grohl, Trent Raznor and Mike Patton)
Jaz Coleman is Englands answer of Frank Zappa in terms of creativity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 12:05
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

 
There is a clip of Billy Idol talking about punk rock at the beginning of Mogwai's album Come on Die Young (the track is titled "punk rock"), and I think it's a very thought-provoking statement for naysayers. Nothing too weighty, but it's hard to argue with it.


Billy Idol rules!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 11:57
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Hey punk where you goin with that safety pin through your cheek?LOL
 
Mr Bartfast
 
Yes, me again maisondufromage.  I never put a safety pin through my cheek.  We just used to cut off a piece of the wire and then slot it over our lip so it just looked like it was through our cheek!
 
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