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We did have Unleashed in the East in our collection, but my dear hubby somehow managed to lose itLOL... No big deal, though, since it's very easy to find even in mainstream music stores.
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Absolutely Raff! Clap
 
...and I know I'll also get support from Micky when I say they also released one of the classic live albums ever in "Unleashed In The East".
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2009 at 06:45
Originally posted by progmetalhead progmetalhead wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
 
I'll help them along then Raff! LOL
 
I'll +1 Jody's post and go further by saying that Priest beat them to it years earlier! Wink 
 


And you rock, sirClap! Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin are masterpieces that would have deserved a spot here.... I am not sure we would be talking about Prog-Metal today if it hadn't been for the mighty Priest.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
 
I'll help them along then Raff! LOL
 
I'll +1 Jody's post and go further by saying that Priest beat them to it years earlier! Wink 
 
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
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What you wrote is all true (but I know of Spinal Tap) and reflects the collective thinking.
 
Is true, also, that almost all the European Power Metal basnds have written at least one song Prog Metal (Judas Priest and Saxon have debuted with two Prog albums).
 
In these days I'm rediscovering great Prog Metal bands like Warlord, Cacophony, Narnia, Elegy, Shadow Of Steel, Elvenking, Excelsis... All arenot present in PA, for one reason or another. And I must be honest... How musical diversity present Prog Metal ...
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If you go back even further, it can get even more confusing. I'm no expert, but some journalists have claimed that in 1964 the riff to The Kinks' You Really Got Me founded Heavy Metal. Others claim it originated from blues jams and heavy chording therein. Some say Blue Cheer (who I've never heard) were the first heavy band. Others say that Free's manager suggested they called themselves The Heavy Metal Kids and they refused because they wanted to be a pure blues band - there was a band of that name later btw, and IMO they were sh*te.
 
As much as I love metal (and I do) I still think Spinal Tap got it rightWink
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el dingo: All true what you say. But without the band that I have mentioned (and other) Prog Metal probably would not be born. Or maybe yes...
 
Is true, then, that Prog Metal is a recent definition and that Prog Metal is a musical genre that is  not totally clear in their boundaries... And we can not do anything. Believe me... I know musicians that indicate the groups that I mentioned (with Hawkwind and Eloy) as Prog Metal bands!
 
el dingo wrote:
'Back in the 1970s (here comes the old git again) there were no real sub-genres of metal. Just heavy rock (which was quickly christened heavy metal) and hard rock, with a lot of blurring of the edges between the two.'
 
Is true, however, that some bands are considered the fathers of Prog Metal. And, although I'm totally agree with you, we can not forget these bands in our debates and our discographies.
 
I'm sharing the Classic Prog CDs from the Prog Metal CDs. And the CDs of the fathers of Prog Metal (also  Prog related, not only Heavy Prog) I put them in Prog Metal part of my CDs collection. Even just for gratitude towards them!
 
 
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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

I believe that in a serious debate also bands such as Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Rush, Rainbow, Cacophony, Malmsteen, Magnum, Asia ('80's production), Warlord, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath... So... All those who have created the foundations of Prog Metal should be included, just for historical completeness.
 
 
Back in the 1970s (here comes the old git again) there were no real sub-genres of metal. Just heavy rock (which was quickly christened heavy metal) and hard rock, with a lot of blurring of the edges between the two.
 
Today, although I've read all the definitions on PA, I couldn't even truly tell which genres of metal I like more than others. I know the basics like thrash, black and death but after that I get lost. My son understands them all but he's only 17 and naturally at that age a committed fanboy of Megadeth, Metallica and SOaD and an enthusiastic Kerrang! reader.
 
All I know is I love modern metal just as much as the old stuff: Orange Goblin, Spiritual Beggars, System of a Down, KSE, etc, etc. But I find it hard to pick up on just how progressive any of the bands I like are - I just like them.
 
The older I get the less I'm able to categorise the modern stuff I like - without PA and El Dingo Jnr I'd probably struggle to keep up at all. Guess if I follow the thread I might learn somethingSmile


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Classic prog metal for me is Images and Words, Perfect Symmetry/Parallels and Rage For Order/Operation.

In my mind, almost nothing can compete these gems. Bands that came out a bit later like Symphony X and Shadow Gallery are worthy successors of the three 'big ones'...
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile
 
Well... 'Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son' is a true all time Prog Metal masterpiece as Dio/ Powell Rainbow Era's albums, Warlord 'Deliver Us' album (I have 'The Best Of Warlord' i.e. 'Deliver Us'+ bonus), Cacophony 'Speed Metal symphony', Magnum 'Vintage Magnum', Rush's 70's albums (Well... First...?!?) and Metallica '...and Justice For All'!
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Points: 5851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 05:37
Epica (Ita) 'Confini' is still avaible from Pick Up Records store (in 1995 Pick Up Records published this album):
 
http://www.pickuprecords.it/SHOP/ListProducts.asp ---> (Parola chiave): Epica ----> first item in list products.
 
 
Notturna 2nd album 'Le Tue ali' is avaible from:
 
 
 http://www.musicalboxstore.com/ita/shop/shop.php ---> (autore): Notturna (cerca ----> acquisto)
 
 
All these two sites are in Italian.
 
 
 


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To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


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Interesting news (I think):
 
For Epica (Ita) 'Confini' see this site (is the first album in the list... Is avaible):
 
 
 
Home page - Pick up
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< name=1 =/SHOP/ListProducts.asp method=post>
Parola chiave
< id=txtChiave maxLength=30 size=21 value=epica name=txtChiave>
Cerca in...
< = = value=Artista name=rdoCerca>Artista
< = = value=Titolo name=rdoCerca>Titolo
< = = value=Etichetta name=rdoCerca>Etichetta
< = = value=DVD name=rdoCerca>DVD
< = = value=LP name=rdoCerca>LP
 
< = = value=SI name=chkOfferta>Visualizza solo offerte
 
Genere
< size=1 name=SelGenere>< value="" ed>TUTTI< value="'PUNK','A/R'">ALTERNATIVE ROCK< value="'BLUE'">BLUES< value="'CHILL','LOUN','AMBI'">CHILL OUT / LOUNGE< value="'CLAS','LIRI'">CLASSICA< value="'OST'">COLONNE SONORE< value="'COUN'">COUNTRY< value="'DANC','HOUS','CHILL','ACID','FUNK','AMBI','RAP'">DANCE< value="'ELECT','AVAN','AGE','AMBI'">ELETTRONICA / AGE< value="'JAZZ'">JAZZ< value="'BRAZ','CUBA','LATI'">LATINA< value="'HM','A/R'">METAL< value="'ITAL','PROG','BEAT'">MUSICA ITALIANA< value="'ELECT','SOUL','FUNK','HM','POP','ROCK','A/R','PUNK','AVAN','AGE'">POP / ROCK< value="'RAP'">RAP / HIP-HOP< value="'REGG','SKA'">REGGAE / SKA< value="'PROG'">ROCK PROGRESSIVE< value="'SOUL','DANC','FUNK','RAP'">SOUL< value="'ETHN','FOLK','LATI','BRAZ','CELT','FRAN','CUBA'">WORLD / ETHNIC
 
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 EPICA CONFINI PICKU
15,00     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="DISPONIBILE : METTI NEL CARRELLO" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_02.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=PK1902 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value=CONFINI name=Titolo> < = value=PICKU name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=15 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA CONSIGN TO OBLIVION TRANSMISS
20,00     
 CD2 I < = = height=9 alt="DISPONIBILE : METTI NEL CARRELLO" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_02.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=TME052 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value="CONSIGN TO OBLIVION" name=Titolo> < = value=TRANSMISS name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD2 name=a> < = value=20 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA THE PHANTOM AGONY TRANSM
19,00     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=TM036 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value="THE PHANTOM AGONY" name=Titolo> < = value=TRANSM name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=19 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA THE SCORE - AN EPIC TRANSM
19,00     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=TMSA058 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value="THE SCORE - AN EPIC" name=Titolo> < = value=TRANSM name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=19 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA WE WILL TAKE YOU TRANSM
14,00     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=TMD050 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value="WE WILL TAKE YOU" name=Titolo> < = value=TRANSM name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=14 name=Prezzo> < = value=0 name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA WE WILL TAKE YOU TRANSM
0,00     
 DVD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=TMDVC050 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA name=Artista> < = value="WE WILL TAKE YOU" name=Titolo> < = value=TRANSM name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=DVD name=a> < = value=0 name=Prezzo> < = value=0 name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA -V/A EPICA VIRGI
20,00     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=5952082 name=Codice> < = value="EPICA -V/A" name=Artista> < = value=EPICA name=Titolo> < = value=VIRGI name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=20 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
 EPICA-V/A EPICA 2 VIRGI
14,90     
 CD I < = = height=9 alt="NON DISPONIBILE : ORDINA" width=39 ="http://www.pickuprecords.it//icona_01.gif" border=0 name=Field> < = value=AddItem name=> < = value=5787622 name=Codice> < = value=EPICA-V/A name=Artista> < = value="EPICA 2" name=Titolo> < = value=VIRGI name=Etichetta> < = value=I name=Nazione> < = value=CD name=a> < = value=14,9 name=Prezzo> < = value=" " name=Offerta> < = value=1 name=Quantita>
< id=vetrina2 ="MM_goTo'parent','/SHOP/Default.asp';return .MM_returnValue" = value="Torna alle OFFERTE" name=vetrina> < id=prec ="MM_goTo'parent','ListProducts.asp?curOffset=-100&txtChiave=epica&rdoCerca=Artista&SelGenere=&chkOfferta=';return .MM_returnValue" = value="<< Precedenti 100" name=prec> < id=pros ="MM_goTo'parent','ListProducts.asp?curOffset=100&txtChiave=epica&rdoCerca=Artista&SelGenere=&chkOfferta=';return .MM_returnValue" = value="Prossimi 100 >>" name=pros> < id=carrello2 ="MM_goTo'parent','/Shop/ShopCart.asp?=ViewItem';return .MM_returnValue" = value="Controlla il CARRELLO" name=carrello>
 
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Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

I love lots of Thrash/Speed metal and NWOBHM stuff. (Adding some links to some Gems)

Virtue - "We Stand To Fight"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ZkOFRdIFI

Witchfinder General - "Burning a Sinner"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jSZEr7EJE

Magnum - "Kingdom of Madness"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5EUe9ChGTY

Praying Mantis - "Children of the Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVxeibTj670

Don't you like these?
 
Magnum? 'Kingdom Of madness'? Well ... I think that this song is one of the songs that have helped to codify the Prog Metal!
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Welcome to the Dark Side! Big smile Clap
 
SmileTongueWinkClapBig smile TTTHHHAAANNKKSSS!!!
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Classic metal Prog ... With this definition I would say all that Prog Metal is not Extreme Prog Metal or Post Metal...
 
I believe that in a serious debate also bands such as Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Rush, Rainbow, Cacophony, Malmsteen, Magnum, Asia ('80's production), Warlord, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath... So... All those who have created the foundations of Prog Metal should be included, just for historical completeness.
 
P.s.: I love the Cynic... Great band... But they are Extreme Prog Metal (Death Jazz Metal... A definition that I love, referring to their music).


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Cynic = not so amazing. it sounds dated and crappy.
 
Classic metal is kind of tame so its not really my style but Its not bad either. I know a lot of people that think that 70's and 80's metal are the best thing ever but unfortuntaley its not for me.
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I love lots of Thrash/Speed metal and NWOBHM stuff. (Adding some links to some Gems)

Virtue - "We Stand To Fight"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ZkOFRdIFI

Witchfinder General - "Burning a Sinner"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jSZEr7EJE

Magnum - "Kingdom of Madness"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5EUe9ChGTY

Praying Mantis - "Children of the Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVxeibTj670

Don't you like these?
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