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Fantômas 
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1. Alexander The Great
2. Revelations
3. Caught Somewhere In Time
4. Die With Your Boots On
5. The Nomad
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And above all, is punk 
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 16:47 |
Rhime Of The Ancient Mariner,
Hallowed Be Thy Name
The Number Of The Beast
Run To The Hills
Alexander The Great
So many great songs. not prog though, but close enough to deserve some mention on a progressive site.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:43 |
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I suspect had "Rime Of the Ancient Mariner" been one of the choices, it would have been among the leaders. Superb track.
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:14 |
Rime Of the Ancient Mariner 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:56 |
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Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
 
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!
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Reminds me of Relayer period Yes..seriously, listen to it and think "Yes"
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John Gargo
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:42 |
Steve Harris, the bassist and primary songwriter for Iron Maiden, is heavily influenced by prog rock acts... they even do a GREAT cover of Jethro Tull's "Cross Eyed Mary" that rivals the original.
Anyway, Maiden are the band that saved me from listening to radio. For those that can't see progressive influence in their music I point them to their mid 80s albums...
PIECE OF MIND is the first album with outright prog influences... a lot of lengthy instrumental sections, very melodic, and symphonic-structured songs. "Revelations" is a song with various non-repeating movements.
POWERSLAVE pushes a little closer towards a progressive sound... The second half of the album is dominated by lengthy suites with an emphasis again on complex instrumental passages.
SOMEWHERE IN TIME incorperated synths into their music, which was a disaster for most rock bands but Maiden was able to do it without compromising their original sound, unlike traditional progressive bands like Yes.
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON is their proggiest release... a sparkling concept album. If anyone listens to this album and doubts a progressive influence, they simply aren't listening enough. A masterpiece.
Great band... definitely in my top 5, and they put on a great live show.
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:59 |
King of Loss wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members
(except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog'
influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by
short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's
music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván
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I'm sorry but Labrie is easily one of the best Rock vocalists ever,
but of course if you don't like how "cheesy and whiney" his voice then
go ahead, I'm not going to care much. |
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I just listened to Ayreon's "The Human Equation". LaBrie is amazing,
IMO a lot better than during the 2 last DT records. People dissing him
just need to listen to him also when outside his DT environment. And
his last solo album... 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:17 |
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I see this thread hasnt been moved yet!
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 17:04 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
But I still can't find any logical structure in DT as I don't find in Bboom or Thrakk by King Crimson, and it's a shame, because most of the members of the band are very talented, sometimes making more melodies and trying the easy way instead of showing off is much better. |
Well, its up to taste, but I do find their last two albums "kinda lacking" Very good- great albums overall, but the songs themselves aren't that spectular, maybe Octavarium can return to the IMO "logical structures of an album like IAW or Awake".
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 16:10 |
Hey King of Loss, I don't say LaBrie is bad, he's ok foor a metal band, but obviously he's not in the level of Myung who in this moments is one of the best bass players I ever seen and Portnoy who also is among the best.
But I still can't find any logical structure in DT as I don't find in Bboom or Thrakk by King Crimson, and it's a shame, because most of the members of the band are very talented, sometimes making more melodies and trying the easy way instead of showing off is much better.
Iván
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 14:43 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván
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I'm sorry but Labrie is easily one of the best Rock vocalists ever, but of course if you don't like how "cheesy and whiney" his voice then go ahead, I'm not going to care much.
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 14:21 |
frenchie wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
frenchie wrote:
Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature.
Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle. |
Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter . For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".
Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:
1. The Nomad
2. Judas Be My Guide
3. Blood Brothers
4. Can I Play With Madness
5. No More Lies
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uh oh, looks like i will never be able to enjoy maiden if this is true, i cant stand the way that they seem to be taking the piss with all their over the top stage shows and stupid lyrics, vocals and riffs. I prefer my songs to be serious and meaningful, which i find in bands like metallica and DT cos they write about real things and rarely joke around, if Iron Maiden always joke around then i am not going to like them at all. |
 now I've made IM sound like a bunch of jokers (well...); the cheese aside, they do put a lot of effort into their music and this effort is definitely there to be heard. Besided, Bruce Dickinson is one helluva singer, I can even remember him covering some Led Zep material very successfully (though can't remember which song it was and which album it was on), and that really says something.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Fantômas
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 13:28 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.
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My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just can't
understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can
even listen more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden without thinking that
Yes and Genesis are pure pretentious crap for people who think their
music is supposed to be better than other, which I find to be quite
arrogant. And how can these people come to the absurd of comparing Iron
Maiden and Linkin Park... Just don't find the point. Maybe these guys
should go listen to Rick Wakeman's 30 minute and boring solo. |
Agreed, agreed!
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And above all, is punk
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 13:21 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.
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My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh
when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand
how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can
even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap. |
Early Genesis is even more "for adolescents" than Maiden. The return of
the Giant Hogweed ? Get'em out by friday ? I know what I like ? never
heard of these songs who have some sort of "we were young and wanted to
have fun" feeling  ?
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Frasse
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 12:10 |
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The guitar solo on Alexander the Great must be the best ever...
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James Lee
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 12:04 |
 you can take Metallica seriously?
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frenchie
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 11:32 |
Manunkind wrote:
frenchie wrote:
Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature.
Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle. |
Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter. For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".
Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:
1. The Nomad
2. Judas Be My Guide
3. Blood Brothers
4. Can I Play With Madness
5. No More Lies
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uh oh, looks like i will never be able to enjoy maiden if this is true, i cant stand the way that they seem to be taking the piss with all their over the top stage shows and stupid lyrics, vocals and riffs. I prefer my songs to be serious and meaningful, which i find in bands like metallica and DT cos they write about real things and rarely joke around, if Iron Maiden always joke around then i am not going to like them at all.
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The Worthless Recluse
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 07:35 |
henri_ds wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
| I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about. |
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván
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I find it interesting, because I have the impression that many prog bands from the 70's wrote far more "undefined structures" than DT...
Listen to tracks like Trial Of Tears, Scarred, Learning To Live, The Great Debate : Are these songs "without structure" ? I dont think so. Technically, they're the same as prog band's songs : Melodical developpements, reccurent themes, different sections etc....And small songs like Disappear, Hollow Years etc...follow the classical "Rock song structure"...
I could somehow accept that some people find them boring, but, unstructured songs ? I don't see it
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My sentiments exactly.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 07:32 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.
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My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap.
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I'm a mystery, I know.
Edited by Manunkind
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