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Zarec
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 10:31 |
Here's how I see things. Nu-metal didn't have an "organic" evolution as a genre because as soon as Korn released their debut album the record labels started making pressure on bands to play nu-metal. Unfortunately, not everyone had the talent required for such a style. Nu-metal can be rather lame if you don't have a highly technical drummer or vocal whereas the instruments, 7 string guitars are recommended and so on. That's how groups like Limp Bizkit, Drowning Pool or Mushroomhead emerged and thought that by rapping a little and by adding some unoriginal thick guitar riffs they would make good music. WRONG. Because of the hype, many bands brought profit for the record labels but once emo came along all of them were simply forgotten.
Nu-metal is in my opinion a less avantgarde experimental metal, if I may express myself this way. If we take a look at the way conventional metal and hardcore were played in 1994 we will see that playing the bass in a jazzy style and the guitar in a very distorted way was very uncommon. Mr Bungle had a great influence on the few good nu-metal bands (Korn and Slipknot) and Red Hot Chili Peppers as well. Nu-metal, in order to sound well and not boring is generally influenced by funk.
Slipknot is probably the only record label product band that had a true artistic value. It's a long story behind the band, the demo album released in 1996 was highly experimental, a Mr Bungle only more hardcore and the self titled album was a remake of the demo with an even more extreme approach. I honestly believe Slipknot were asked to play nu-metal in an extreme manner because Roudrunner had been dumped by Mushroomhead and the record label did nothing but to take Slipknot and transform them into what Mushroomhead had already been. The good part is that Slipknot are far better musicians and as for the part with the masks, well, I don't care if the idea was taken from Mushroomhead or not.
Musically, Slipknot was the new level of nu-metal. Thick but fast, focused more in guitar rather bass more cacophonic than any metal band before them and with a great amount of industrial.
Then came Linkin Park and , ultimately, the end. Linkin Park weren't inspiring enough, except the Dj all the musicians weer (and are) lame and limited and there was nothing to follow.
It's sad that, besides Korn and Slipknot, good nu-metal albums were released by bands that had been in the music scene before 1994 like Sepultura, Slayer and M E S H U G G A H. But as I said in the beginning, the record label's hunger fro money is the reason why there so few good nu-metal bands.
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Philéas
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 07:17 |
mithrandir wrote:
I wonder if there will ever be a Nu-Metal revival, like retro-Nu-Metal or something like that,
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In this post-modern world anything seems to be possible... - I never really listened to Nu-metal. The little I heard I didn't like. Back when it was popular I was only interested in 60's pop and I consciously avoided all mainstream music of later date. Some years later, I did however begin to appreciate System of a Down's two first albums, an opinion I still stand by. Good musicianship and songwriting.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 06:26 |
Nu Metal never really entirely died, but obviously it fell from the mainstream a few years ago and as a result, it's perceived to be dead by many people. In terms of musicianship, many of the nu metal bands had better players than many people realize. Wes Borland, formerly of Limb Bizkit, actually used some rather complex chord voicings (compared to just smashing around using root 5 chords) in his playing, and is actually really really good at the two handed tapping technique. Mick Thomson, as many may or may not be aware, was a guitar teacher for a while and interviews with him shows he has a good grounding in music theory, and as much as I don't like Slipknot that much (I think their latest album is not terrible though, if nothing special), he has amazing rhythm guitar technique and can play 6 string sweep picked arpeggios way better than I can play 5 string arpeggios. Mudvayne, to be honest, I've never really heard. Linkin Park, well I wont lie, I think they had some cool songs on Hybrid Theory and I still do think they are cool songs but never liked anything else from them really. Korn, I used to really like, but I tried listening to them again recently, and I honestly can't stand listening to it anymore. The only songs I can sit through are Blind and Helmet In The Bush from their debut album. And I can't deny both Munky and Head made some cool noises with their guitars that you don't notice unless you listen real closely and they had this cool interplay thing going on too. Both good rhythm guitarists (if not spectacular) and I've seen youtube vids of them demonstrating some lead guitar. They aren't virtuosos, but their level of musicianship is much better than that of a bunch of a hacks in a garage pop punk band. The drumming isn't bad either. Coal Chamber, one of the earlier nu metal bands, I never cared for, very boring to my ears, never could like them. Papa Roach, had some okay riffs on some songs, but otherwise, not for me. P.O.D, I'll pass. Same for SOAD, don't like them. Probably some other bands I know but can't think of right now that I don't like in nu metal either. Deftones, to this day, remains pretty much the only nu metal band I can listen to regularly, and a very creative band they were and still are too IMO. I love the atmospheric feel they can bring to their music other nu metal bands never had. They are proof nu metal hasn't died entirely, as they still remain relatively popular in metal circles, although their only pure nu metal work was their debut, and everything since then was to some extent, mixed up with experimental aspects, but their music always had enough of a nu metal sound to it to call it nu metal.
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BroSpence
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 01:47 |
Apparently Axl forgot about Nu-Metal no longer being fashionable.
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mithrandir
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 01:42 |
I wonder if there will ever be a Nu-Metal revival, like retro-Nu-Metal or something like that,
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~Rael~
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:51 |
p0mt3 wrote:
~Rael~ wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired? |
They both incorporated some hip-hop influences in a few of thier songs. I never thought that to be nu-metal, it had to have hip-hop influences. I just thought nu-metal had loud crashing chords, a simple beat, and really not a whole lot of musicianship.
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Okay, well . . . even if that IS the case, I ask again . . .
When were Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all mediocre in musicianship?
Mudvayne has alot of Mathrock in their playing, and Slipknot to my ears have always played impressive music guitar-wise.
I could be wrong. Niether of them are my favorite bands, so . . . |
Mudvayne was by far mediocre in their guitar work, but the bass and drums were/are excellent. On Slipknot's first album, the only notable musicianship I hear is the drumming, though they have improved in every aspect since then. And while I agree Mudvayne slips in a lot of interesting time signatures, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is mathrock. I really never lumped Mudvayne or Slipknot into the nu-metal group, but it is undeniable that they were generally seen as members of the genre. They were above the average nu-metal bands, but they still had that driving, somewhat non-melodic sound. I would also like to use the bands', slipknot's in particular, later releases as examples of thier growth out of the nu-metal genre.
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DatM
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 21:35 |
~Rael~ wrote:
From what I can tell, nu-metal is dead, or at least dying. While som of it was midlly enjoyable, I am glad this chapter of musical history is finally coming to a close.
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I think it's been a while now. It seems most recent releases have pretty much gone under the radar. It reminds me of 80's hair metal bands in the early 90's...
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JLocke
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 21:23 |
The T wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
Here in Argentina we have a sort of music called Regueton. It's makes Fred Durst sound like Richard Sinclair more or less |
Reggaeton makes nu-metal sound like Johann Sebastian Bach actually.... |
ROFL
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The T
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 20:27 |
crimson87 wrote:
Here in Argentina we have a sort of music called Regueton. It's makes Fred Durst sound like Richard Sinclair more or less |
Reggaeton makes nu-metal sound like Johann Sebastian Bach actually....
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The T
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 20:25 |
So now it's time for the birth of POST-NU-METAL!!!!
Edited by The T - December 26 2008 at 20:26
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JLocke
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 19:30 |
~Rael~ wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired? |
They both incorporated some hip-hop influences in a few of thier songs. I never thought that to be nu-metal, it had to have hip-hop influences. I just thought nu-metal had loud crashing chords, a simple beat, and really not a whole lot of musicianship.
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Okay, well . . . even if that IS the case, I ask again . . .
When were Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all mediocre in musicianship?
Mudvayne has alot of Mathrock in their playing, and Slipknot to my ears have always played impressive music guitar-wise.
I could be wrong. Niether of them are my favorite bands, so . . .
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Prisoner
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Joined: November 17 2008
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 19:20 |
p0mt3 wrote:
When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired? |
Nu-metal takes influence from grunge, groove metal and funk in addition to hip-hop.
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~Rael~
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 18:44 |
p0mt3 wrote:
When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired? |
They both incorporated some hip-hop influences in a few of thier songs. I never thought that to be nu-metal, it had to have hip-hop influences. I just thought nu-metal had loud crashing chords, a simple beat, and really not a whole lot of musicianship.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:26 |
^ I used to like that song back then when I was 9.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:22 |
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JLocke
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:01 |
When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired?
Edited by p0mt3 - December 26 2008 at 17:01
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crimson87
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:34 |
Here in Argentina we have a sort of music called Regueton. It's makes Fred Durst sound like Richard Sinclair more or less
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topofsm
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:27 |
I was never interested in music until 4 or 5 years ago, so thankfully I never really knew about it. Thank god it's dead so it doesn't have to drive me nuts anymore.
Of course, how can I kill this mainstream alternative rock on the radio these days?
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:04 |
It started dieing back in '05. It should be long dead by now...
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:36 |
I thought it had died 4 or 5 years ago.
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