The Death of Nu-Metal
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Topic: The Death of Nu-Metal
Posted By: ~Rael~
Subject: The Death of Nu-Metal
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 14:50
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Well, it seems to me that the trend of glorified sub-par musicianship called nu-metal is coming to an en. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed some of it. I like some of Korn's stuff, and Slipknot too, but it seems like nu-metal is fading away. Limp Bizkit is gone (which is nothing but good), Korn is still trying to hang on, though they no longer have any relevance. What nu-metal bands are still around seem to be changing a bit and getting away from that sound. Hell, Mudvayne has a guitar solo in thier new song. Any Mudvayne fan knows how unique this is. And Slipknot keeps evolving, thier sound gorwing more mature with each album, thier musicianship and song writing always improving. From what I can tell, nu-metal is dead, or at least dying. While som of it was midlly enjoyable, I am glad this chapter of musical history is finally coming to a close. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 14:55
I thought it died in '05 when Linkin Park collaborated with Jay Z 
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:04
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Ah, yes, I forgot about Linkin Park. Saw them live once, and they were really good.Though, a band better be when they play such simplistic drivel. Chester, the whiny lead singer guy, once informed the crowd that "his nipples were hard." Ever since, what little appreciation I had for them vanished. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:05
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that's awesome.
I saw them live too along with POD and two other bands... Chester had a cold so they didn't sound all that great, but whatever
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:09
I've always just denied its existence, so I haven't noticed anything  |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:15
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you're the wise one then Linus.
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:32
 indeed nor do I consider any of it Metal, |
LinusW wrote:Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 15:36
I thought it had died 4 or 5 years ago. 
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:04
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It started dieing back in '05. It should be long dead by now...
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:27
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I was never interested in music until 4 or 5 years ago, so thankfully I never really knew about it. Thank god it's dead so it doesn't have to drive me nuts anymore. Of course, how can I kill this mainstream alternative rock on the radio these days? ------------- 
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 16:34
| Here in Argentina we have a sort of music called Regueton. It's makes Fred Durst sound like Richard Sinclair more or less |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:01
| When was Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all hip-hop-inspired? |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:22
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 17:26
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^ I used to like that song back then when I was 9.
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 18:44
They both incorporated some hip-hop influences in a few of thier songs. I never thought that to be nu-metal, it had to have hip-hop influences. I just thought nu-metal had loud crashing chords, a simple beat, and really not a whole lot of musicianship. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: Prisoner
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 19:20
Nu-metal takes influence from grunge, groove metal and funk in addition to hip-hop.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 19:30
Okay, well . . . even if that IS the case, I ask again . . .
When were Slipknot or Mudvayne ever Nu-Metal? What aspects of their music were at all mediocre in musicianship?
Mudvayne has alot of Mathrock in their playing, and Slipknot to my ears have always played impressive music guitar-wise.
I could be wrong. Niether of them are my favorite bands, so . . .
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 20:25
So now it's time for the birth of POST-NU-METAL!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 20:27
Reggaeton makes nu-metal sound like Johann Sebastian Bach actually.... -------------
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 21:23
ROFL
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Posted By: DatM
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 21:35
I think it's been a while now. It seems most recent releases have pretty much gone under the radar. It reminds me of 80's hair metal bands in the early 90's... ------------- Death and the Maiden - A Metal Tribute To String Quartets http://www.deathandthemaiden.net - Website http://www.myspace.com/deathmaiden - Myspace |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:51
Mudvayne was by far mediocre in their guitar work, but the bass and drums were/are excellent. On Slipknot's first album, the only notable musicianship I hear is the drumming, though they have improved in every aspect since then. And while I agree Mudvayne slips in a lot of interesting time signatures, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is mathrock. I really never lumped Mudvayne or Slipknot into the nu-metal group, but it is undeniable that they were generally seen as members of the genre. They were above the average nu-metal bands, but they still had that driving, somewhat non-melodic sound. I would also like to use the bands', slipknot's in particular, later releases as examples of thier growth out of the nu-metal genre. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 01:42
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I wonder if there will ever be a Nu-Metal revival, like retro-Nu-Metal or something like that, |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 01:47
| Apparently Axl forgot about Nu-Metal no longer being fashionable. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 06:26
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Nu Metal never really entirely died, but obviously it fell from the mainstream a few years ago and as a result, it's perceived to be dead by many people. In terms of musicianship, many of the nu metal bands had better players than many people realize. Wes Borland, formerly of Limb Bizkit, actually used some rather complex chord voicings (compared to just smashing around using root 5 chords) in his playing, and is actually really really good at the two handed tapping technique. Mick Thomson, as many may or may not be aware, was a guitar teacher for a while and interviews with him shows he has a good grounding in music theory, and as much as I don't like Slipknot that much (I think their latest album is not terrible though, if nothing special), he has amazing rhythm guitar technique and can play 6 string sweep picked arpeggios way better than I can play 5 string arpeggios. Mudvayne, to be honest, I've never really heard. Linkin Park, well I wont lie, I think they had some cool songs on Hybrid Theory and I still do think they are cool songs  but never liked anything else from them really.Korn, I used to really like, but I tried listening to them again recently, and I honestly can't stand listening to it anymore. The only songs I can sit through are Blind and Helmet In The Bush from their debut album. And I can't deny both Munky and Head made some cool noises with their guitars that you don't notice unless you listen real closely and they had this cool interplay thing going on too. Both good rhythm guitarists (if not spectacular) and I've seen youtube vids of them demonstrating some lead guitar. They aren't virtuosos, but their level of musicianship is much better than that of a bunch of a hacks in a garage pop punk band. The drumming isn't bad either. Coal Chamber, one of the earlier nu metal bands, I never cared for, very boring to my ears, never could like them. Papa Roach, had some okay riffs on some songs, but otherwise, not for me. P.O.D, I'll pass. Same for SOAD, don't like them. Probably some other bands I know but can't think of right now that I don't like in nu metal either. Deftones, to this day, remains pretty much the only nu metal band I can listen to regularly, and a very creative band they were and still are too IMO. I love the atmospheric feel they can bring to their music other nu metal bands never had. They are proof nu metal hasn't died entirely, as they still remain relatively popular in metal circles, although their only pure nu metal work was their debut, and everything since then was to some extent, mixed up with experimental aspects, but their music always had enough of a nu metal sound to it to call it nu metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 07:17
In this post-modern world anything seems to be possible...  - I never really listened to Nu-metal. The little I heard I didn't like. Back when it was popular I was only interested in 60's pop and I consciously avoided all mainstream music of later date. Some years later, I did however begin to appreciate System of a Down's two first albums, an opinion I still stand by. Good musicianship and songwriting. |
Posted By: Zarec
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 10:31
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Here's how I see things. Nu-metal didn't have an "organic" evolution as a genre because as soon as Korn released their debut album the record labels started making pressure on bands to play nu-metal. Unfortunately, not everyone had the talent required for such a style. Nu-metal can be rather lame if you don't have a highly technical drummer or vocal whereas the instruments, 7 string guitars are recommended and so on. That's how groups like Limp Bizkit, Drowning Pool or Mushroomhead emerged and thought that by rapping a little and by adding some unoriginal thick guitar riffs they would make good music. WRONG. Because of the hype, many bands brought profit for the record labels but once emo came along all of them were simply forgotten. Nu-metal is in my opinion a less avantgarde experimental metal, if I may express myself this way. If we take a look at the way conventional metal and hardcore were played in 1994 we will see that playing the bass in a jazzy style and the guitar in a very distorted way was very uncommon. Mr Bungle had a great influence on the few good nu-metal bands (Korn and Slipknot) and Red Hot Chili Peppers as well. Nu-metal, in order to sound well and not boring is generally influenced by funk. Slipknot is probably the only record label product band that had a true artistic value. It's a long story behind the band, the demo album released in 1996 was highly experimental, a Mr Bungle only more hardcore and the self titled album was a remake of the demo with an even more extreme approach. I honestly believe Slipknot were asked to play nu-metal in an extreme manner because Roudrunner had been dumped by Mushroomhead and the record label did nothing but to take Slipknot and transform them into what Mushroomhead had already been. The good part is that Slipknot are far better musicians and as for the part with the masks, well, I don't care if the idea was taken from Mushroomhead or not. Musically, Slipknot was the new level of nu-metal. Thick but fast, focused more in guitar rather bass more cacophonic than any metal band before them and with a great amount of industrial. Then came Linkin Park and , ultimately, the end. Linkin Park weren't inspiring enough, except the Dj all the musicians weer (and are) lame and limited and there was nothing to follow. It's sad that, besides Korn and Slipknot, good nu-metal albums were released by bands that had been in the music scene before 1994 like Sepultura, Slayer and M E S H U G G A H. But as I said in the beginning, the record label's hunger fro money is the reason why there so few good nu-metal bands. |
Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 10:55
Well Reggueton is pretty much were I come from I suppose and that stuff is everywhere I tell ya. Everyone listens to this stuff. It's on tv, radio, adds, everywhere possible. Even politicians use this kind of "music". Ohh well I guess I got deal with it.  As for Nu Metal...well I kind of like some of it. But some of them are terrible. ------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 11:28
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a lot of that Funk Metal/Thrash was a big influence on Nu-Metal sort of a precursor to the genre, anyone remember bands like Mordred, Infectious Grooves, Scatterbrain, Mindfunk, 24-7 Spies, Prong to a certain extent, also a lot of that breakdown/groovy Hardcore stuff like Madball, Sick of it All, Cromags, Undertow, Inside Out (features Zack de la Rocha pre-Rage Against The Machine) |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 12:29
I love SOAD. They are (were?) the most interesting modern commercial band to come out in the last 10 years IMO. all their albums are fabulous. btw i think it's time for a new genre to come out. Post-Music ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 14:01
I think that pretty much sums up everything that has happened in the music industry since the NWOBHM/NWOBAHM era - including grunge. The money machines making up new fashionable styles and genres to promote, and abusing well-intending musicians as a tool to do it. One of the reasons I never really took into account nu-metal as something I would be interested in, although the bag pipes (Korn) were fun at Dynamo Open Air some years ago.... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 14:58
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I'm so glad Nu-Metal is over. I even hated it when I was little, and I still hate it. The late 90's (the height of nu-metal's popularity) was, as I remember, a dark age for music, with Nu-Metal being the king (or prince, maybe post-grunge was king) of that dark age. To celebrate this glorious occasion, I shall take out my Roy Orbison's All Time Greatest Hits compilation and play the song "It's Over" and celebrate until I realize that metalcore is now the popular metal genre, and in some ways it's worse than Nu-Metal. Oh well, maybe in a few years, I'll celebrate metalcore's demise in the same manner ...OK, I'll admit that I like Korn's first album, but that's really it... ------------- 
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 22:25
It sounds funny, but it's actually very sad! Anyway, I think people in the US listen to that crap too, so it's not just argentinian people who are that stupid. I can't really understand how could anyone appreciate that "music" or whatever it is, I think it's even worst than cumbia villera!-------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 22:30
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SOAD never sounded like nu-metal. Alternative metal, to tell the truth. I've always found their music the absolute cream of the mainstream hard rock crop, and they are great musicians.
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:34
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I have heard people refer to "metalcore" many time, but what exactly is metalcore? Because I really have no idea.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:41
Well, when a guy takes two decades to get an album made, I doubt he would be willing to go back and update the music, 'cause then it would have taken another twenty years, and the music would sound dated yet again. :-P
I haven heard Chinese Democracy yet personally, and personally, the guy's a douchebag, I don't care how well he sings. I'm in no hurry to support him at all with my money. If I ever do get around to hearing the thing, I will probably dig a few songs, then never listen to the bulk of the material again. This has become my usual routine these days with typical straightforward music.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:52
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Either you simply forgot to mention Disturbed, or you intentionally left them out/. If it's the latter, then I'm assuming that means you don't consider them Nu-Metal.
If that is the case, I am with you on that one. If not, well, then I'll explain why I never found Disturbed to be a Nu-Metal band:
David Draiman is one of the best singers alive today. He has great range and an all-around beautiful voice. Pretty decent songwriter too, though he has a habit of using the two word combo of "To me" way too many times in his lyrics. Dan Donegan. Virtuoso as far as I am concerned. He never really showed off his playing style on the first two records, but the most recent two albums are full of interesting and technically impressive guitar work. And I know I will be crucified for this, but I would take Donegan's "Overburdened" solo over anything Petrucci did post-SfaM any day. Their Drummer Mike Wendgren is phenominal. Not as technically adept as one might think a mdetal drummer should be, but he's solid, and very creative from what I can hear. They've rotated bass players over thbe course of their career, so I can't really judge this new guy yet. Besides, listening to their music reminds me much more of Maiden or Priest than Limp Bizkit. Know what I mean? These guys are clearly influenced by the classic rock/metal guys, and the music is very rich and alive because of it. That's my opinion, anyway. As for Slipknot. As I say, I've never understood the connection between their fast speed-playing and the downtuned, groove-driven power chord beats of Nu-Metal. Same thing with Killswitch Engage. Bands like these get alot of hell from many music fans, and I wonder: is all of it really deserved? Why, just because these bands were grouped in with crap like Limp Bizkit and the like?
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:54
Bands like Atreyu, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.
Basically hardcore metal music meets hardcore punk music. Think Lamb of God, but with melodic vocals and more punk-ish breakdowns taking prominent roles.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 08:22
To be specific, 1990s/2000s metal meets 1990s/2000s hardcore punk. 1980s metal meets 1980s hardcore punk resulted in thrash. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:05
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First, Axl Rose is a good singer? I never thought of him that way, lol. I like Welcome to the Jungle, but the rest of their stuff is crap, imo. And, I wouldn't group Disturbed into nu-metal either, but I really can't stand them. I enjoyed thier first album for a while, but ever since everything I hear from them sounds exactly the same. And while he is a good singer, I can't stand his arrogant stage persona. Reminds me of the way 80s hair metal bands acted. And, if Killswitch is metalcore, I guess I am a fan, because I really like them, and any band that combines metal screaming with melodic singing. How can this genre be seen as worse than nu-metal? I guess if you are against change in music in any way, I can understand. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:42
um, o....k, not sure where my take on Axl's singing deserved to be belittled, but anyways, on to your other points . . .
You don't like Disturbed. Cool. Moving on . . .
Well, well, something we finally agree on. Killswitch is very good in my opinion, though a bit repetetive, but then again I've come to expect that from most popular music these days. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but I have never heard people say that MetalCore is worse than Nu-Metgal. They just feel that metalcore is worse than traditional metal. It's all opinion. |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 16:47
See, he said it. Like I said, I don't really get how someone could think that. And, I wasn't trying to belittle what you said about Axl being a good singer, I just never thought of him that way. Maybe I need to listen better/differently next time I hear one of their songs. And, sorry about Disturbed, but I have to stand by my comments, lol. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 18:44
lol, I wasn't bothered by what you said, I just didn;'t see how those other comments were all that relevant to the topic at hand is all. No biggy.
 Well then spookytooth is someone I can't figure out. See, MetalCore usually involves good musicianship, at least. Problem is most metalcore bands sound alot alike to me, personally, Killswitch is the acception, though. I think again they are an example of a band who just plays what they want yet happens to be crowded in with all the similar bands of their era. They stanhd out amoung the others, but the general public sees them as one and the same.
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 23:03
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Yeah, the sound is a bit overused, but I agree about Killswitch, I can't see them bowing down to a label's instructions, especially since they have been around for a while and have established fans. The sound that is so similar in metalcore is also why I listen to just a couple of those bands.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 23:07
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I have noticed that metalcore usually feels a lot like heavier alternative rock and screamo, which generally I don't like too much. It could be that I've been hearing the wrong stuff, but as awesome as some of that stuff is at the first listen, I lose interest in it on subsequent listens. Killswitch made me interested in them for a while, but the same thing happened when I listened to their newest album. Great musicians, and I like the fact that they don't solo in that album, but I find their melodic moments a bit cheesy, I don't particurlarly like the screams, and the lyrics (that I listen to a lot in KsE) are terribly generic. They were cool when I saw them though. -------------
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 09:44
I also tended to make this distinction, but I got confused if there really was a difference. You seem to know better than me, so I'll trust you and resume labelling SoaD Alt metal instead of Nu metal.  |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 19:54
Me know better than somebody else here? I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you aren't, thanks.
And yes, I do not consider SOAD nu-metal in the least. The people who label them such are the ones who have only heard "Chop Suey!" and/or maybe a couple of their quirkier songs. I enjoy them very much too, they are a pretty unique band. -------------
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