The Thrash, Grindcore, Doom, and the likes Thread

I hardly ever call Black Sabbath a Doom Metal band, but when the proper genre of Doom Metal was solidified in the 80s the emulation of Sabbath in sound, lyrics, image, etc was the #1 motivation.  So indeed Sabbath was the launching point for all that, so if someone wants to retroactively assign Sabbath (in their early years) as the first Doom Metal band, I'm not going to scold them, you also have a few other bands like Flower Travellin Band, Bang, Jerusalem and Sir Lord Baltimore that were churning out proto-Doom sounds in the 70s as well, and what about an anomaly like Bedemon? their music was Doom Metal as pure as it gets...but of course they obviously weren't calling themselves anything buy Heavy Metal or Hard Rock,

The very first band to ever use the term Doom Metal was a band called Warlord from the UK - and no its not the NWOBHM band Warlord, but an earlier band that had a short existence in the mid 70s
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=21018

I like your points CPicard, I agree new genres are rarely created out of intention, its usually the unexpected results that follow in the aftermath that later define a new genre or subgenre


Edited by mithrandir - October 31 2008 at 21:13

Black Sabbath is definitely proto-doom, and there's no point in arguing about that I think. From what I've heard, the Black Sabbath-ness seems more prevalent in stoner metal than in doom metal these days. The sound is there, but not so much in doom any longer.

As for the recommendations, thanks! I already know Trouble, but I'll check out the others.

keiser willhelm wrote: ^ but doom has evolved to the point where the black sabbath reference is hardly relevant to the current scene. people point the finger back to sabbath now for EVERY form of metal. it gets tiresome, no matter how they influenced the genre, which they certainly did.

Just like Venom and black metal: I hardly see how can one neophyte could do the connection between Venom and bands like Xasthur, Leviathan or Ludicra.

^ In addition to that what do BS in their eponymous album, haven't been done by any band before, just hints

HughesJB4 wrote: Proto-Doom at absolute best, and even that is a stretch. Yes, they had doomy lyrics, but the musical connection to actual doom metal is so remote that you cannot possibly call Sabbath a doom metal band. Yes, the downtuned guitars are there, the dark lyrics, but there is a distinct difference between stylistic origins and cultural origins. The stylistic origins of doom might have begun with Sabbath, sure, but the genre was not clearly defined (the cultural origins) musically and culturally until the early 80s. Honestly, I don't think bands need to keep being glorified as being "This" or "that" when really they were just what they were. In the case of Sabbath, it's a heavy metal band. Let's be happy with that.

HughesJB4 wrote: philippe wrote: stoned doom is the only subgenre of metal I like, in particular old classic stuffs from Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Count Raven (...) the new bands coming from this scene don't interest me at all (with the exception of the wounded kings).   Yeah... but, Sabbath is not a Doom band by any stretch of the imagination

zafreth wrote: By the Way what think about the drone metal scene? band like Earth and Sun O)))   Today i will listen the first album of Earth

Sun O)))

I've only heard a tiny bit of Earth, but what I heard I really liked.
I don't know the scene that well to be honest, but I like to listen to drone/doom metal to chill out now and then.

This is Hilarious :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s0ys2IanCM&feature=related

I've recently started checking out some doom/stoner stuff. So far, I have some Electric Wizard, Burning Witch and Earth. Please make me a list of more bands! Preferrably on the doom side of things. Some grindcore recommendations would be appreciated too. I feel a bit lost...

I like DOOM but I don't care for Stoner, granted some bands crossover into both camps but ultimately I prefer Doom METAL, over Stoner Rock,