Least Proggy Metallica Album

off topic--  heard a few cuts off the new one.. seemed quite familiar, disappointing

It depends on your definition of "proggy". I voted Kill 'Em All, as to me that is a straight up metal album. To start saying KEA has proggy elements such as time changes etc, basically says that there is prog elements in every style of music.

No offence, but I've heard plenty of Metallica material, and it is not self-evident to me that the music is Prog even if it isn't standard metal.

manofmystery wrote: And if we are going to include all complex albums with long tracks we could put a lot of bands that aren't prog here.  Frankly, I think that Metallica can only be justified as being here if there was an Influences category otherwise it's a little like the rock and roll hall of fame letting Madonna in, she was popular and influenced a generation of pop princesses but is that what rock is all about.  Metallica is the band that turned down a bassist because he played too well for god's sake.  Oh well, gotta run now and put on an album from my favorite grammy award winning metal band, Jethro Tull.   I do say, I enjoy this healthy debate and respect very much everyones passion and civility.  Tell me this isn't fun.

manofmystery wrote: Going by what progrocker said here...

Not exactly.

manofmystery wrote: That doesn't now mean that I believe former metal gods Metallica should be included on this site based on a few complex songs and the fact someone claims them as an influence.

 

progrocker2244 wrote: Their first 4 albums and their newest one have all been complex, and had longer compisitions.

My emphasis added in both quotations.  I don't think any commentary on the discrepancy is necessary.

Edited by WinterLight - November 28 2008 at 15:47

manofmystery wrote: seems like this band, above any other, needs to be eliminated from this website sticks out like a sore thumb, why not add all metal bands then, or every single rock band for that matter

Bands cannot be removed once added to the site. Sorry about that, but this is what the OWNER of PA wishes. I'm afraid that people who don't agree with this policy will just have to accept it, or find another place to hang out at.

The prog metal category has to be cut up into 7 different descriptions and my ears have me placing more importance in the word metal than prog for any of the bands within that i've heard, and basically all I've said there is that I don't care for metal even if its labelled "prog" but that's my problem.  That doesn't now mean that I believe former metal gods Metallica should be included on this site based on a few complex songs and the fact someone claims them as an influence.  If there was a Prog Influences category then fine but hypothetically say the Dixie Dregs were influenced by, say, the Allman Brothers Band and say that said Allman Brothers had a few somewhat complex songs of there own then maybe.....see where we are here.  Now I like the Allman Brothers but I don't want them thrown in here just so that I can review their work.

Edited by manofmystery - November 27 2008 at 18:31

manofmystery wrote: seems like this band, above any other, needs to be eliminated from this website sticks out like a sore thumb, why not add all metal bands then, or every single rock band for that matter

We don't add all metal bands because not all of them helped build prog metal like Metallica did. Their first 4 albums and their newest one have all been complex, and had longer compisitions. Most prog metal bands (Ex. Dream Theater) have named Metallica one of their favorite bands. Without a doubt in my mind Metallica belongs here. They're not quite prog metal, but they have had such an infuence on the genre that they deserve a place in the prog related section.

obiter wrote: So is any band that does anything new or different progressive? I suppose Norwegian Death Metal also progressed Metal but does that make it "progressive". If so, then Kill Em All and Master of Puppets qualify. oh whoops my head just disappeared up my own backside. i never knew my navel looked like that (from the inside). There's a voice in my head saying "just vote and run away": OK I voted: I don't reckon any are progressive

manofmystery wrote: seems like this band, above any other, needs to be eliminated from this website sticks out like a sore thumb, why not add all metal bands then, or every single rock band for that matter

I am safe to assume you guys need to be directed to some background reading? i.e previous threads on the matter

St. Anger is the least proggy.  They tried hard to ditch their influences with that one.  Bad riffs, and uninteresting song structures.  Their lyrics focused much more on personal problems than outside political/societal issues.  Although to be fair, that is where they were at the time, and needed to get through.