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sleeper 
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 Posted: September 24 2008 at 16:05 |
 Avantgardehead wrote:
I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.
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I find it hilarious the way people simplify things so much that what they say is pointless.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 15:24 |
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I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 13:47 |
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Pain of salvation is not that big of a band. They don't have tons of cash to get on a plane, come to a country where their fanbase is spread out and they get harassed a airports. How can you blame them?
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Norbert
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 13:34 |
DAVA wrote:
Gildenlow sticks to his believes, and I guess we can't complain, his music wouldn't be the same if he were not another idealistic Swede.
Many artists left the States when it started to go down this rode (e.g. Hemingway), yet we were not deprived of their art. It could be worse, his records could not be sold in the States. Is is hypocritical of him to sell his records here then? He is helping the market-driven US economy, so?
I don't think he is punishing his fans for being Americans, he is punishing Americans for allowing America to be what it is. It is true that they are not at immediate fault, and all this America bashing is not that senseless. It is Americans from the 1920s and a modern world that sought the answer in industrialization and mass production.
I guess it is a matter of how selfish you are. I am taking advantage of the States and going to school here. I understand him, and I am upset I can't see PoS live (because they probably will never go to Colombia either), yet I respect him for his ideals.
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Probably this will remain the best post in this topic IMHO.
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Desoc
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 10:00 |
npjnpj wrote:
Why should Gildenlow go to the US, if he feels, like a lot of non-USA citizens, that the process is akin to getting mugged? |
Exactly. I'd love to go to the US more often, but not at the expense of being treated like a hostile, unworthy fool by just about every official authority. And not at the expense of leaving all my personal data in a database for causes and uses unknown.
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npjnpj
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 05:22 |
Why should Gildenlow go to the US, if he feels, like a lot of non-USA citizens, that the process is akin to getting mugged?
I don't see anything negative there for him, only for the USA, regardless if the blame is to be laid on the population or the CHOSEN few.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 03:22 |
Please ensure that posts are respectful both to the artist and to our multi-national membership.
It is OK to make your point strongly, but without the use of profanity and without direct attacks on individuals or their beliefs.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 03:13 |
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He strikes me as a very pretentious and difficult person. You can tell by looking at him in the band photos, all sneery and cocky-looking.
Oh well, I don't like Pain of Salvation anymore (along with most metal these days) so I doesn't really matter to me!
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DAVA
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:21 |
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Gildenlow sticks to his believes, and I guess we can't complain, his music wouldn't be the same if he were not another idealistic Swede.
Many artists left the States when it started to go down this rode (e.g. Hemingway), yet we were not deprived of their art. It could be worse, his records could not be sold in the States. Is is hypocritical of him to sell his records here then? He is helping the market-driven US economy, so?
I don't think he is punishing his fans for being Americans, he is punishing Americans for allowing America to be what it is. It is true that they are not at immediate fault, and all this America bashing is not that senseless. It is Americans from the 1920s and a modern world that sought the answer in industrialization and mass production.
I guess it is a matter of how selfish you are. I am taking advantage of the States and going to school here. I understand him, and I am upset I can't see PoS live (because they probably will never go to Colombia either), yet I respect him for his ideals.
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CCVP
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:14 |
rushfan4 wrote:
MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:
CCVP wrote:
VOTE, for PROG sake, and choose someone good to be the president.
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Easier said than done. Especially when you're 17.
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It is also easier said than done when at least one of the candidates or parties is actually worthy of our votes. Unfortunately, neither party or candidate is going to do what is best for the people of this country. |
the thing is that people don 't care about anything. They don't want to think, they want to go with the flow. Just like Zappa, i think that the solution is the vote and the political action. Don't like politics? become a politic and defend your point of view and encourage people to do so.if everybody were more involved in politics, the world would be a really better place. I mean, for example, many wars or diplomatic and economical conflicts would just no exist.
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:51 |
Plankowner wrote:
I was very sad when I learned Green Carnation will no longer tour. |
You think that's bad? Sieges Even broke up. 
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:49 |
Kestrel wrote:
You guys are hilarious.
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Kestrel
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:39 |
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You guys are hilarious.
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 23:13 |
MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:
CCVP wrote:
VOTE, for PROG sake, and choose someone good to be the president.
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Easier said than done. Especially when you're 17.
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It is also easier said than done when at least one of the candidates or parties is actually worthy of our votes. Unfortunately, neither party or candidate is going to do what is best for the people of this country.
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Plankowner
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:48 |
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I was very sad when I learned Green Carnation will no longer tour.
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Padraic
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:39 |
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Works for me, I hate the band.
Seriously, though, I feel bad for the OP and the US fans.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:37 |
MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:
The people in the US aren't THE US. It's silly, selfish and ignorant to punish his fans, many of whom would go to great lengths to see the band live. |
But not great enough to leave country, I suppose.
I'm more than happy just to listen to their music, personally.
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el böthy
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:21 |
Now you all know how I feel when all the bands I love don´t come to my country. But, and I don´t want to sound rude, I think it´s kind of stupid how you bitch and moan. One band doesn´t come to the USA and you get all worked up. Someone said that not going to the USA was selfish. Not going anywhere is selfish, deal with it. Some people jsut can´t handle not being the center of the world all the time. 
Edited by el böthy - September 23 2008 at 22:25
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MonkeyphoneAlex
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:19 |
CCVP wrote:
VOTE, for PROG sake, and choose someone good to be the president.
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Easier said than done. Especially when you're 17.
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"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST."
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CCVP
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 20:25 |
MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:
The people in the US aren't THE US. It's silly, selfish and ignorant to punish his fans, many of whom would go to great lengths to see the band live.
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Deathrabbit wrote:
Writing off an entire country of people based on the
actions of a few prominent individuals seems inherently ignorant to me.
In fact it's really similar to what the US gov't is doing to the middle
east right now. Hate and ignorance begats more hate and ignorance I
suppose. No wonder our world is tumbling snowball of suck. |
~Rael~ wrote:
PoS is my favorite band. And they won't tour here. And it
makes me angry. I kind of get why Gildenlow won't, and kind of like how
he is sticking to his beliefs, but I would really like to see them
live. I mean, come on, why do you have to punish your fans, when a lot
of them probably agree with you? Oh well, just makes me angry when I
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That is why you have to vote, you know? Like it or not the government represents the people of a whole country and if some dumf*ck is the head of office thats is because the people chose him to be such. Are you unhappy? Then VOTE, for PROG sake, and choose someone good to be the president. BTW, the american way of voting is many things but fair. What kind of democratic country have one person's vote to be more important than other votes (delegates / superdelegates)?
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