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Easy Money
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Posted: September 11 2008 at 00:05 |
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:45 |
Easy Money wrote:
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
I love the way you think... ... for discussion's sake of course... There is a lot of misunderstanding in the prog community about any number of groups. For such 'intelligent' music fans... it never fails to amaze me how quickly people dismiss things. and yeah... that is a godawful statue
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:37 |
debrewguy wrote:
Zeuhl ?
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no way... RPI... sure we can find a wop in the closet somewhere with one of the group members
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debrewguy
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:10 |
Zeuhl ?
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jammun
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 19:54 |
I'd probably vote G. There is some relation, but don't leave that door open or pretty soon James Brown, Sly Stone, and every George Clinton offshoot, not to mention Ohio Players and EWF, will be wanting in.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 19:01 |
Nah, I'll stick to this one:
p) Related to Other-Related
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inrainbows
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 18:42 |
g) Has no relation to even related to Prog Related bands
This is my vote , I trully believe Funkadelic is a pure funk R&B Band
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jimidom
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 14:24 |
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 14:13 |
I'll go with d or f.
Don't worry about Tao, if he was a wuss he wouldn't be listening to Funkadelic, ha ha.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:32 |
BTW, I vote fot "G"
Iván
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:31 |
Logan wrote:
Regarding TaoJones absence, silly, but I had been a little concerned that I may have put him off with my first post with my welcome (the exclamation mark, "Welcome TaoJones!" perhaps seeming overly enthusiastic, and therefore potentially embarrassing -- in my board experiences, I've come to the impression that excessive enthusiasm commonly kills discussion). I did post within half an hour of his post too, so might have thought there'd be acknowledgment (no biggie that there wasn't). Perhaps that his discussion only got one response in ten days was another factor for his not responding (people not showing interest).
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Logan, neither you or the people who doin't consider Funkadelic have any relation with TaoJones not posting.
A person who joined 5 months ago and only posted one time, doesn't need an excuse to avoid posting, obviously we are talking about somebody who doesn't like to post.
Nobody would be afraid of a warm welcome, and of course he can't be afraid of negative responses because this came only ten days after his post.
So blaming anybody is absurd, he doesn't post because he doesn't want to post.
Iván
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Logan
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:21 |
^ Absolutely, Jimidom (and, incidentally, I am a big Jimi Hendrix fan -- Band of Gypsys is my particular fave).
Thanks for mentioning that, Ivan. I had wanted to myself.
Regarding TaoJones absence, silly, but I had been a little concerned
that I may have put him off with my first post with my welcome (the
exclamation mark, "Welcome TaoJones!" perhaps seeming overly
enthusiastic, and therefore potentially embarrassing -- in my board
experiences, I've come to the impression that excessive enthusiasm
commonly kills discussion). I did post within half an hour of his post
too, so might have thought there'd be acknowledgment (no biggie that
there wasn't). Perhaps that his discussion only got one response in
ten days was another factor for his not responding (people not showing
interest).
Let's go back to his initial post:
TaoJones wrote:
This may be a long shot but it seams to me that they
have at least some chance of qualifying. After listening to them for a
long time I have decided that many of the aspects of a progressive rock
band can be found in their albums. Fantastic musicianship, "epic"
tracks drenched in atmospheric soundscapes, conceptual albums/
reacuring musical concepts and great history behind the bands evolution.
It is true that they eventually became more of a dance group later on with Parliament but their origins are truly progressive.
If you are unfamiliar with the group check out the album "Maggot brain" to hear probably their most progressive work.
What do you say?
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He, himself, thought it might be a long shot, and I didn't offer
much support in my initial post -- other than mentioning psych
qualities. I don't actually support the band in the archives, but do
find the notion very worthy of discussion as a potential candidate for
related. Progressive does not equal Prog.
I wish to apologise for my undignified/ excessive behavior in this thread (this post included).
Now back to the funk.... Whether one thinks it sufficiently considerable for inclusion or not, this is one time I wish we had a poll. Question: How related to "Prog" (Prog as illustrated by the music covered in the various Prog categories) is Funkadalic? Choose the one that fits your thinking best.
a) Could fit an existing Prog category b) Would require a new Prog category (Progressive Funk-Rock/ Fusion) c) Could fit Prog-Related. d) Has a relation to Prog, but not enough to be right for Prog-Related e) Is distantly related to Prog f) Is a related to Prog Related band.
f) Has no relation to Prog. g) Has no relation to even related to Prog Related bands h) Has no relation to related to related bands. i) Is not related (even very distantly related) at all to anything we have in the archives.
h) Is not even related to music. i) Dumb poll. j) Where the hell is Earth WInd and Fire? k) Phil Collins!!! l) Magma iss de hundin! m) Go do us all a favour, Greg, and go drown yourself in a Lake (preferably Greg Lake). n) Other. o) Other-Related p) Related to Other-Related q) Not even related to other-Related. r) No relation to anything, including other-other things s) Okay, now I'm really confused. t) Wurdah, Logan.
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:37 |
jimidom wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk. Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure. P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
That statue is actually in downtown Seattle. As for Hendrix himself, he probably didn't play much funk per se, at least not until Band of Gypsys. However, there was a funky vibe in much of his music with the Experience, such as "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Little Miss Lover", "Crosstown Traffic", "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" to name a few. All of those tunes had a funky groove despite the fact they were not funk songs. I guess you could all it proto-funk. Still, he was a huge influence in the funk world, especially on Funkadelic. |
Having played in funk bands since the late 70s I would agree that every funk gtrst in the world becomes 'Hendrix' when it's time to solo, ha ha ha. Your right, there is always that implied swing jazzy funk thing with The Experience. Mitchell and Jimi were made for each other, what they brought to rock is hard to duplicate or imitate.
Now if we could only get that dreadful Hendrix statue together with the memphis Elvis staue, now that would be a true eyesore ha ha.
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jimidom
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:10 |
Easy Money wrote:
Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk.
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
That statue is actually in downtown Seattle. As for Hendrix himself, he probably didn't play much funk per se, at least not until Band of Gypsys. However, there was a funky vibe in much of his music with the Experience, such as "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Little Miss Lover", "Crosstown Traffic", "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" to name a few. All of those tunes had a funky groove despite the fact they were not funk songs. I guess you could all it proto-funk. Still, he was a huge influence in the funk world, especially on Funkadelic.
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:47 |
jimidom wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
jammun wrote:
y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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A very good point - Sly did much the same, but a few years earlier.
Prog Funk - now there's an idea... |
Yes indeed! Now guess who enters the discussion?
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Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk.
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha.
Edited by Easy Money - September 10 2008 at 11:49
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:17 |
micky wrote:
hahhaha... yeah really...
Alan - no clue... but something to chew on.... did anyone in this thread think to welcome the guy, he was a new member... before tearing his suggestion apart Nuts?.. perhaps... or maybe he thought we were all a lot of assholes for going apesh*t over a simple proposition
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Please Micky, look at how things happened:
- TaoJones suggested Funkadelic on AUGUST 26
- The first reply was from Logan who welcomed TaoJones and supported his idea
- Until September 5, all Funkadelic got was support
- IN TEN DAYS FUNKADELIC ONLY GOT SUPPORT.
- IN THOSE TEN DAYS TAOJONES DIDN'T GAVE SIGNS OF LIFE.
- In ten days TaoJones never gave an argument to support his proposal again
- TaoJones joined Prog Archives in March 27, 2008 AND ONLY WROTE ONE POST IN ALMOST 5 MONTHS (Precisely the one suggesting Funkadelic)
- He is familiar with the Forum, so the opposition to Funkadelic didn't caught him by surprise.
- Despite this fact never made a post in 4 months, he made once and vanished again
So Micky, this statement you wrote:
did anyone in this thread think to welcome the guy, he was a new member... before tearing his suggestion apart |
IS FALSE
- The guy was welcomed by Lgan
- Nobody teared his suggestion appart, people supported him for a lot of time.
- FOR TEN DAYS HE ONLY RECEIVED SUPPORT
- He didn't posted despite this facts
- In five months he only posted ONE TIME,
So don't blame the opposition against Funkadelic, TaoJones only posted to suggest Funkadelic and never showed again as he did in 4 months DESPITE IN TEN DAYS HE DIDN'T READ A SINGLE POST POST AGAINST FUNKADELIC, BECAUSE THE FIRST POST AGAINST FUNKADELIC'S INCLUSION WAS TEN DAYS AFTER HE PROPOSED THE BAND.....So what's strange?
THE GUY DIDN'T POSTED IN ANY OTHER THREAD DESPITE THE INITIAL SUPPORT
Lets not use the fact that the guy really is not a frequent posted to blame anybody, he had ten days before anybody objected the addition of Funkadelic to post again when his suggestion had support, but he never did.
Or do we have to support an addition we believe is wrong not to hurt the feelings of a guy who in 5 months only posted one time?
Before making assumptions and accusations, better check the facts.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 10 2008 at 12:31
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jimidom
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:04 |
Certif1ed wrote:
jammun wrote:
y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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A very good point - Sly did much the same, but a few years earlier.
Prog Funk - now there's an idea... |
Yes indeed! Now guess who enters the discussion?
Edited by jimidom - September 10 2008 at 11:41
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 02:50 |
jammun wrote:
y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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A very good point - Sly did much the same, but a few years earlier.
Prog Funk - now there's an idea...
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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micky
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Posted: September 09 2008 at 22:19 |
Easy Money wrote:
I just sent Tao a PM, hopefully he'll come back and chat with us some day.
As a lover of true Progressive Rock it always bugs me that these bands are considered to be 'progressive' and live happily ever after on this site. |
^ and that last sentence... has aroused my curiosity... PM me...which bands 'bug' you. That is just something I'm curious about... doesn't need to be a topic in itself. Genre team work is a very fine line of balancing the 'true' for some... which very often is not prog.. or even progressive... with for others...was very progressive and prog under any flexible standard of defining.. yet is not associated with the 'true' Progressive Rock.
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jammun
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Posted: September 09 2008 at 22:03 |
Easy Money wrote:
I just sent Tao a PM, hopefully he'll come back and chat with us some day.
Now on the subject of the 'real Progressive Rock'..... I don't know how old the rest of you are, but when I was a young teenager this music was fresh, I can remember listening to albums like 'In Search of the Lost Chord', 'Book of Talesyn', 'In the Court of the Crimson King' and 'ELP' with this feeling of absolute awe. Music like this had hardly existed before. Each new album brought fresh new ideas and it was all very exciting for someone who really loved music.
Then the mid-70s came and and stadium styled prog rock was popular and all these awful bands came out that were obviously pop bands capitalizing on what was a profitable trend in music, eventually these psuedo-prog bands became the pop bands they always really were. All of my friends who were into the original progressive rock didn't care for, nor trust these bands. I still don't like these bands and consider them to be a big factor in what killed off the enthusiasm for real Progressive Rock. As a lover of true Progressive Rock it always bugs me that these bands are considered to be 'progressive' and live happily ever after on this site. |
I'm one of the old farts. I've tried and perhaps been successful or not to make the point that back when all the seminal music was made we only considered it really good rock. But hell in 1967 I was thirteen years old; what did I know, other that some music was WAY more special than the other stuff.
The only thing I would add to the '70s aspect of it was the general diminution of the 'prog' bands themselves. I have stated before that during the Welcome Back My Friends... tour, when I saw Emerson on the spinning piano, I saw the end of what had been known as prog. Not that this was entirely ELP's fault...they were merely following a nasty trend of more and more extravagant shows, where the show supercedes the music. So some might say, dude, what about the knives in the keyboards during those The Nice years? That actually served a purpose, allowing E to engage in a bit of showmanship (a la Hendrix et. al.) with his Hammond while the knives held the keys down and engaged. (If you follow that sentence because I'm not being real clear here.)
Now I have nothing against Funkadelic (not real familiar with them but I am extremely familiar with Parliament and Bootsy), but it's not prog. Yes it's progressive funk, but then y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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