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Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

I know why some of you guys like Hawkwind more Kansas. Because of Hawkind had the naked ladies onstage! that's all.   
Thats it I'm convinced now I`m going to vote to for Hawkwind on the strength of the naked ladies on stage.  wait when Kansas play Magnum Opus their is this section called release the beavers ...  I`m switching my vote back to Kansas Wink
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I know why some of you guys like Hawkwind more Kansas. Because of Hawkind had the naked ladies onstage! that's all.   

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Kansas. Ireally didn't like anything I heard from Hawkwind.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

That BBC documentary was on last night on BBC 2. I didn't know that when I posted that Youtube link on the previous page. What a coincidence!


I saw it earlier today and was somewhat surprised they chose to interview Nik instead of Dave. Confused
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge.
Yeah. I happen to like Hawkwind for the same reason that SouthSideOfTheSky dislikes them; their music is thematically rather complex yet aesthetically anything but formal. How many other bands can write songs about the Three Laws of Robotics without coming across as remotely nerdy? Tongue


Absolutely, and the work Calvert done with the band in the mid to late 70's is some of my favorite Hawkwind.

That BBC documentary was on last night on BBC 2. I didn't know that when I posted that Youtube link on the previous page. What a coincidence!
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge.


Yeah. I happen to like Hawkwind for the same reason that SouthSideOfTheSky dislikes them; their music is thematically rather complex yet aesthetically anything but formal. How many other bands can write songs about the Three Laws of Robotics without coming across as remotely nerdy? Tongue
Rush ? Tongue     wait I didnt read the nerdy bit ... ummmm  Confused   hey listen I`m with you thats why I put these bands together both have strong loyal followings and enormous merit in their aplications to the prog movement ..  getting back to that  Three Laws of Robotics thing without sounding dorky I think you have made an excellent point  Clap


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge.


Yeah. I happen to like Hawkwind for the same reason that SouthSideOfTheSky dislikes them; their music is thematically rather complex yet aesthetically anything but formal. How many other bands can write songs about the Three Laws of Robotics without coming across as remotely nerdy? Tongue
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For anyone who's not yet seen the BBC documentary of Hawkwind, it's here on Youtibe. Sadly Brock didn't take part, having fallen out with Nik Turner, but it's very interesting and entertaining..

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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


 


<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 1.5pt 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN">I use Hawkwind's first three albums (whom I rate with one star each) as a low water mark for prog. I have heard a lot of prog from the 70's and these albums are the worst I have ever heard. It cannot get any worse than that!! Badly produced, lack of good musicianship, no melodies, very repetitive songs, a lot of unbearable noise. The drums are the worst. I do like Levitation though with Ginger Baker on drums, but I have no respect for early Hawkwind.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>


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<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 1.5pt 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN">Very strange comparison though. <o:p></o:p></SPAN>



Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge.

They have made some classic albums, and they have turned out some dross too. It has to be said. But ove the years some excellent musicans have passed through their ranks; notably Simon House, Ginger Baker, Adrian Shaw and of course Huw Lloyd Langton, who is a very original and I think 'underated' guitarist. Liked his voice too.

Incidentally, I reccomend Huw Lloyd Langtons solo album, 'Night Air' Not especially progressive, just good memorable songs, and some great melodic lead guitar work.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Lemmy ... greater than all Kansas put together hahhah

Space Ritual... greater than all Kansas albums put together

has anyone from Kansas inspired these words of wisdom....

(ultracool proghead)Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?

(member of the PA's dope smokers genre team) Lemmy?

[imitates a game show buzzer]

(geek wearing a  Rush shirt ) God?


Wrong, dickhead, trick question. Lemmy *IS* God.
 
Hmm how do you join I wonder. LOL
 
That reminds me of some comedy skit several years ago where they have a game show show called stump the pothead or something like it.
 
There are three stoners at their consols with buzzers and the Question is (what one question stumps a stoner everytime) "What were we just talking about?"
All three of the stoner contestants don't even move for like thirty seconds.  Then one guy hits his buzzer and asks Did I win?"
 
I'm still sticking with KansasWink
 
 
 


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Lemmy ... greater than all Kansas put together hahhah

Space Ritual... greater than all Kansas albums put together

has anyone from Kansas inspired these words of wisdom....

(ultracool proghead)Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?

(member of the PA's dope smokers genre team) Lemmy?

[imitates a game show buzzer]

(geek wearing a  Rush shirt ) God?


Wrong, dickhead, trick question. Lemmy *IS* God.
 
Hmm how do you join I wonder. LOL
 
That reminds me of some comedy skit several years ago where they have a game show show called stump the pothead or something like it.
 
There are three stoners at their consols with buzzers and the Question is (what one question stumps a stoner everytime) "What were we just talking about?"
All three of the stoner contestants don't even move for like thirty seconds.  Then one guy hits his buzzer and asks Did I win?"
 
I'm still sticking with KanasasWink
 
 
 


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I won't beat you up, but HAWKWIND has been aof itself for much longer than KANSAS.
 
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Now you really are talking out your backside it shows you know nothing of Hawkwind and how Dave Brock has kept Hawkwind flying all these years  ,  Nick Turner's Space Ritual you could say that about but  Hawkwind NO , Brock has always tried to keep the Hawks Moving forward with new music ideas , thats why he has always bought in new  members into the band , Hawkwind are not just a Prog or Space rock band they have moved into many different genres of music from Punk'ish years of Calvert  through the Dance and  Ambient years of the 90s  , there last couple albums even had a bit of Drum N Bass mixed in with the usual Space Rock,  they have also kept to there ideals playing free gigs and they never have high ticket prises
and now also run there own Hawkfest (which was the weekend just gone )  to say they are tribute band of them selfs is just Incorrect  but they do also have there own Tribute band called   The Technicians Of Spaceship Hawkwind  , so stop talking out yer backside and get ya facts right ,

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

The boys from Topeka. No question.

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The same here. Both bands' discographies have got ups and downs, and HAWKWIND has been more prolific in quantitative terms, but definitely KANSAS shows more technical proficiency, more musical imagination, a wider array of nuances and feelings, and when they rock, they do it more solidly. The remastered double CD "Two for the Show" allows me to rest my case easily.
 
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Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Tough choice but my vote will go for Hawkwind! why???
because when they are good, they are brillant and can bring you in some ''spheres'' not too many bands are able to..
second reason is Hawkwind is still producing quality music nowadays...they had a few stinkers but still came with great, great CDs in the 80s, 90 s and still now. The return of  Davey in the fold with Brock and Bainbridge still guarantees fantastic music ''Take me to the Ladder'', ''Electric teppee'', ''Vortex'' ''Palace Sun'' and others still match the goodies from the 70s.
Kansas on the other hand produced great music as well, but for only a short time---74 to 78-- after that was freefall...
So analyzing their respective carreer, this is 4-5 Kansas great years versus 30 Hawkwind good to great years .
 
Kansas is now more or less a tribute band of its glorious past...nothing wrong with that.....but Hawkwind is still creating new stuff year after year,.....almost 40 years after their beginning.
So sorry, Yorkie and E-Dub......my vote to the Hawks!. don't beat me upLOL 
 
I won't beat you up, but HAWKWIND has been a tribute band of itself for much longer than KANSAS.
 
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Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

Hmmmmmm i love Hawkwind first album in fact i think  the first two are my Fav  Hawkwind  albums

but yes  Very strange comparison to do   but  Kansas a better band than Hawkwind  best Joke i ever heard in my Life thats soooooooooooo funny  !!!! 



  Hawkwind  may not be great musicians to the same level that obviously Kansas are,   Hawkwind are entertaining in a completely different way to Kansas, with some nocturnal activity I'd probably enjoy Hawkwind more (though I would still realise their musicality is far less)  but straight (no weed needed)  Kansas provides a  much more rewarding prog experience. That makes Kansas better I think.  Smile


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Hmmmmmm i love Hawkwind first album in fact i think  the first two are my Fav  Hawkwind  albums

but yes  Very strange comparison to do   but  Kansas a better band than Hawkwind  best Joke i ever heard in my Life thats soooooooooooo funny  !!!! 



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I use Hawkwind's first three albums (whom I rate with one star each) as a low water mark for prog. I have heard a lot of prog from the 70's and these albums are the worst I have ever heard. It cannot get any worse than that!! Badly produced, lack of good musicianship, no melodies, very repetitive songs, a lot of unbearable noise. The drums are the worst. I do like Levitation though with Ginger Baker on drums, but I have no respect for early Hawkwind.

 

Kansas is a much better band in all respects.

 

Very strange comparison though.

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Hawkwind  !!!!!!!!  been my fav band since 1974  , Kansas not in the same league  , but don't see how how you can compare really there not at all a like   , 
just google Hawkwind  Discography  such a good and massive body of work over the years , also such a good live act over the years , The Top Festival Band of all Time for Shore   .
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I'm all out of weed so I have no way of enjoying Hawkwind.  I'll take the musicianship and good songs...

It's not really fair anyway, Kansas being one of my very favorite bands.
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Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Tough choice but my vote will go for Hawkwind! why???
because when they are good, they are brillant and can bring you in some ''spheres'' not too many bands are able to..
second reason is Hawkwind is still producing quality music nowadays...they had a few stinkers but still came with great, great CDs in the 80s, 90 s and still now. The return of  Davey in the fold with Brock and Bainbridge still guarantees fantastic music ''Take me to the Ladder'', ''Electric teppee'', ''Vortex'' ''Palace Sun'' and others still match the goodies from the 70s.
Kansas on the other hand produced great music as well, but for only a short time---74 to 78-- after that was freefall...
So analyzing their respective carreer, this is 4-5 Kansas great years versus 30 Hawkwind good to great years .
 
Kansas is now more or less a tribute band of its glorious past...nothing wrong with that.....but Hawkwind is still creating new stuff year after year,.....almost 40 years after their beginning.
So sorry, Yorkie and E-Dub......my vote to the Hawks!. don't beat me upLOL 
 True what  you said!! but those 4 or 5 kansas albums are better that te 30 plus Hawkwind has...
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