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jimmy_row 
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 Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:48 |
 BroSpence wrote:
Oh joy another thread about how ProgArchives shouldn't be called ProgArchives because thread started disagrees with obvious choices related to a certain genre. |
...and the irony is that it wouldn't BE progarchives without threads about how progarchives shouldn't be called progarchives. but at least we're not looking at a backlash as with the addition of Sabbath, BOC, et. al.
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someone_else
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:41 |
What's in a name? ... Don't matter.
Surely Bowie is more prog related than some other (death metal) acts which are added to PA recently and I don't see any harm in broadening our views on what's prog related so far.
Who's next? The Rolling Stones (It's only rock 'n roll, but one may like it), Creedence Clearwater Revival (Suzie Q or I Heard it through the Grapevine may be an entry) or The Temptations (Papa was a Rolling Stone is a fine example of prog soul)?
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Yorkie X
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:24 |
Since it would run into unnesicary expense (graphic art etc) and cause confusion to those who may not have visited for awhile to find the new named site ... I think it should just stay Prog Archives. 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:30 |
BroSpence wrote:
Oh joy another thread about how ProgArchives shouldn't be called ProgArchives because thread started disagrees with obvious choices related to a certain genre. |
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:29 |
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Oh joy another thread about how ProgArchives shouldn't be called ProgArchives because thread started disagrees with obvious choices related to a certain genre.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:13 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Prog Rock is a form of Art Rock - what's the problem? |
Correct sentence is:
Prog Rock is a form of Art - what's the problem?
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Not the way I define Art Rock it isn't 
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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WinterLight
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:06 |
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If ProgArchives.com is dead, then everything is progressive...
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:33 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Prog Rock is a form of Art Rock - what's the problem? |
Correct sentence is:
Prog Rock is a form of Art - what's the problem?
And David Bowie IS the Art!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:33 |
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That's funny because to my ears Low and Heroes are more prog than Lodger. And I already see I disagree with ZZ's opinions on a few (Outside, Earthling, ...hours). I'm going to enjoy doing a few Bowie reviews even though I've got some other stuff on the back burner and particularly since I have such a hard time reviewing some instrumental albums I've added that haven't attracted any reviews.
On a side note, anyone remember his Saturday Night Live appearance? I think he did Man Who Sold the World and Boys Keep Swinging.
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 23 2008 at 08:39
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:31 |
In my opinion DAVID BOWIE is 100% Prog!
Like... LOU REED!
And PA is alway PA because in this case the place for Bowie is clear PR. In fact not for all Bowie is Prog. But for 60/70% of PA members is Prog. And this is a clear case of an artist for PA but inserted in PR!
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:01 |
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as to Bowie: the archives rule is that even only 1 prog album is enough for the inclusion. Bowie certainly qualifies with "Lodger", which is a full-fledged prog album; if you doubt this I recommend listening to it again. and "Heroes" and "Low" are just short off the mark to be fully prog, in my opinion. so I would not even have a problem with Bowie being included fully instead of under related only
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:00 |
^Well, that depends on how you define Prog or Prog-Related... 
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Trademark
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:56 |
"this was not some fanboy fav addtion" AH HA! So they finally admit that this type of addition does happen.  Now all we need is a list of which ones are which.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:55 |
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Prog Rock is a form of Art Rock - what's the problem?
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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JayDee
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:44 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
For me it's really just a simple matter of enjoying the stuff you like, ignoring the stuff you don't, trying things you don't know anything about that intrigue you.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:43 |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:39 |
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For me it's really just a simple matter of enjoying the stuff you like, ignoring the stuff you don't, trying things you don't know anything about that intrigue you.
Granted, the flood of reviews that will be pouring out the next few days will be rather hard to ignore. You'll find plenty around here who find enough of his output prog enough for his inclusion.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 07:06 |
russellk wrote:
So, Mr Lemming, you consider three of his albums 'proggy', yet don't think Bowie is prog-related?
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I think that 'prog related' is in danger of being used as a 'catch-all' genre with which to appease the lobbyists from those quarters of the traditional rock community who wish to see their favorite artists included in 'PA' Yes, you are right I do think that some of Bowie's work is 'proggy' but might it perhaps not be better to appraise this 'prog related' genre on an album by album basis ? e.g. as much as the Beatles catalogue from say 67-70 is important to prog, what some people on PA object to is having to wade through reviews of the fab four's merseybeat 3 minute pop song albums from an earlier period. (They ain't remotely relevant) I am sure there are loads of other examples of bands and artists who 'dabbled' in prog territory for a short period (e.g. Beach Boys, Zombies, Easybeats etc) and this work should of course be included on PA but only if the album(s) in question are deemed admissible by the admin team. How hard is that ?
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fuxi
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:55 |
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I must admit Admin are doing an excellent job. Remember the storm of protest when Black Sabbath were accepted? I certainly felt like protesting myself! Anyway, suitable reasons why BS ought to be on ProgArchives were duly provided, and does this mean our site is now being swamped by gonzoid Hard Rock? Of course not! Symphonic Prog, Space Rock, Italian Prog etc. still rule the roost – as well as, admittedly, Prog Metal. I really see no need to complain about a drop in standards.
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micky
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:50 |
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^ exactly... this was not some fanboy fav addtion flimsily done up on the case of an album or two... but over many years of work.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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