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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:21
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Well, I'm in two minds about tthe bonus tracks, sometimes they're worthwhile, at other times they're unnecessary.

As for some examples: Deep Purple in Rock has (in my mind) always been incomplete without Black Knight. So the inclusion of this track alone made in worthwhile.


The bonus tracks on the Jethro Tull albums are'nt worthwhile for those owning the 20th Aniversary Box Set. (Possibly the cause of this set's unavailability is due to the fact that it would make the remasters more interesting?)


I find all the bonus tracks on VdGG worthless because of the sound quality, I don't rate historical significance at all, in this case. Same for Uriah Heep, I guess.


ELP re-issues: A mixed bag, some good, some useless.


But one thing that is beside the point of this thread: I find re-issues generally quite interesting because in almost all cases I've come across, the sound quality has been significantly enhanced, so I tend to get them for this reason alone. The Genesis remasters are a case in point: No bonus tracks, but markedly enhanced audio quality, so worthwhile. Pink Floyd, Rush, and Led Zeppelin - Same thing.


The Yes remasters are mainly good: The bonus tracks on Going for the One, Drama, Tormato are outstanding, whereas the studio runthroughs on albums like Tales are OK, but no more than that.


But then again, as they're almost located after the original album tracks, the argument about harming the flow of an album isn't really valid. Where's the harm in them. If you don't like them, just stop the album after the original listing has run.


So: I find bonus tracks themselves to be usually a hit-or-miss affair, slightly tending toward the latter, I'm afraid.


This is what I meant! THX for the examples!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:19
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Sometimes they're nice, but I still think that if they're worth releasing they should be released as a compilation instead of scattering them on a series of remastered albums.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:17
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

its simple: DON'T buy the album with bonus tracks, and thats it! Besides, even if you have bought an album with bonus tracks, well, you are not obligated to listen to them, just like your are not obligated to listen the album itself: you bought the album because you wanted it and, if it has any BONUS, you asked for it because you bought the album with teh bonus! Seriously dude, wtf?!? just don't listen them.


pff. Sorry dude I don't live in a place where I can choose bonus or not. So I'll buy any album I want, and not for the bonus but the ORIGINAL PLAYLIST! WTF is your prob! Aqualung with bonus or not...

It's like the 6th time it's said that. "Don't listen to them"

Well I'm gradually mix up here Cause I thought I was talking to well Prog Listeners... As much of them love the flaw of the album and like the album from START TO FINISH, without any junky stuff(in general). I want the album 40 min from start to finish not a 60 min and stopping it at 40, you'll think it's kinda lazy my attitude, but it's not, the Artist tended the album to be like THAT and not with some enhanced sh*t! Ok Warchild gets better(EXCEPTION!) And some others too.

Please stop bashing me up. And give some good back-up to make your reply worthy even though disagreeing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:10
Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I think there should always be a 15-20 second pause between the original album and the Bonus tracks. Most bonus tracks are bogus but I have a few cd's that have a few killer bonus tracks.


At last a good, one that I agree fully comment!

The rest, sorry, but you're all bashing me, and not really seeing my point, just wanting to avoid it and make me suffer, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:05
Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Not always interesting, can even destroy the flow of an album, but sometimes this is really a BONUS.

The best example is of course, Jethro Tull which has almost every recording definitely enhanced with those bonuses. Think of TOO OLD TOO ROCK, STORMWATCH, BROADSWORD, TIME WAS and of course, Pablo, we don't want to forget your favorite JT cd...the great WARCHILDLOLWink


Yeah Jethro's not so good albums have good bonus material, thx god!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:01
I'm sure like many, I can set tracks to play on my (multi-disc) CD player too.

I love getting bonus tracks, and I rather expect them these days on most re-releases.  I expect "extras" on DVDs, and love 'em. As has been said, they're usually at the end, so they don't interrupt the flow.  The more extras the better for me.  When I'm listening to a CD for the first time, I usually skip the bonus tracks, but usually find myself enjoying them, or at least find them to be of some interest in the future.  I do prefer it when they are not just alternate versions of the same song, but don't mind those either.

The best "bonus tracks" I can think of are on Jean-Paul Prat's Masal.   There is nearly as much music on the bonus tracks as there is from the original LP "Masal" release, and it's different music that is excellent, but had never been released before.

An excerpt from a review to be seen at gnosis: http://gnosis2000.net/reviews/prat.htm

Originally posted by Peter Thelen Peter Thelen wrote:


...How often is it that a CD comes out with bonus tracks that are every bit as good as the original material they augment? In fact that is the case with this reissue: an entire album's worth of solid material recorded after Masal, but never before released, has been added to the round out the CD - four tracks ranging from three minutes to sixteen bring the playing time of the disc right up to the limit of the medium. Most noteworthy is the nine-minute "Maran Atha-Selah", recorded with a six piece lineup in 1985, and the closer - a wordless vocal piece in six-part harmony, recorded in 1990 with a very positive and uplifting spiritual vibe, not far from some of the recent work by Minimum Vital. If there is only one reissue you buy this year, by all means this should positively be it!


There are quitea few cases where I enjoy the bonus tracks as much as the other music, but usually I just find it nice to have as an extra.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 14:48
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

its simple: DON'T  buy the album with bonus tracks, and thats it! Besides, even if you have bought an album with bonus tracks, well, you are not obligated to listen to them, just like your are not obligated to listen the album itself: you bought the album because you wanted it and, if it has any BONUS, you asked for it because you bought the album with teh bonus! Seriously dude, wtf?!? just don't listen them.


Or, if you have a computer, upload the cd and burn a disc without the bonus tracks. or make a playlist on your ipod if you have one. or just skip the tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:29
Well, I'm in two minds about tthe bonus tracks, sometimes they're worthwhile, at other times they're unnecessary.
 
As for some examples: Deep Purple in Rock has (in my mind) always been incomplete without Black Knight. So the inclusion of this track alone made in worthwhile.
 
The bonus tracks on the Jethro Tull albums are'nt worthwhile for those owning the 20th Aniversary Box Set. (Possibly the cause of this set's unavailability is due to the fact that it would make the remasters more interesting?) 
 
I find all the bonus tracks on VdGG worthless because of the sound quality, I don't rate historical significance at all, in this case. Same for Uriah Heep, I guess.
 
ELP re-issues: A mixed bag, some good, some useless.
 
But one thing that is beside the point of this thread: I find re-issues generally quite interesting because in almost all cases I've come across, the sound quality has been significantly enhanced, so I tend to get them for this reason alone. The Genesis remasters are a case in point: No bonus tracks, but markedly enhanced audio quality, so worthwhile. Pink Floyd, Rush, and Led Zeppelin - Same thing.
 
The Yes remasters are mainly good: The bonus tracks on Going for the One, Drama, Tormato are outstanding, whereas the studio runthroughs on albums like Tales are OK, but no more than that.
 
But then again, as they're almost located after the original album tracks, the argument about harming the flow of an album isn't really valid. Where's the harm in them. If you don't like them, just stop the album after the original listing has run.
 
So: I find bonus tracks themselves to be usually a hit-or-miss affair, slightly tending toward the latter, I'm afraid.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:56
I love bonus tracks! Old rehearsals, b-sides, live cuts, different mixes, etc. They're great. However I think they should come on a separate disc as to not ruin the flow of the album. Elvis Costello and Rhino records did a great thing by including all related bonus tracks to a specific album on a second disc (they were also kind enough to include liner notes written by Costello explaining the album sessions and time period). 2 discs, great notes all for only 13.99! It was a great thing. Then Costello had to go an re-re-re-reissue his albums again in a completely different way only a couple years later.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:21
Camel has some pretty good live bonus tracks........



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:12
Fill up the CD with bonus tracks! Live versions, demos, radio sessions, tracks previously only available on vinyl, interviews, CD-ROMs...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:43
B-sides and outtake tracks I can dig. Alternate/live versions of tracks already on the original album, not so much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:03
It depends a lot on the kind of bonus track. If it is a track that was recorded at the same time as the album but only ever appeared on the B-side of a single or the likes then I very much welcome the bonus track. Example given: The remastered release of "The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome" by Van der Graaf has the tracks "Door" and "Ship of Fools" on it, songs that only appear on the live album "Vital"; I think it is great that one can hear the studio versions here too.Tthe instrumental version of "The Wave", which is the third bonus track, was not really necessary though, but I can live with it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 03:41
Sometimes they're nice, but I still think that if they're worth releasing they should be released as a compilation instead of scattering them on a series of remastered albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:53
Problem?

Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Not always interesting, can even destroy the flow of an album


Solution!

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Just stop the CD player at the end of the regular album and never listen to them.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:48
Can't say I really play them all that often. I usually like the album to end when it was supposed to end. I find demos and single versions of song be be a little useless sometimes. Live tracks are good when the quality is decent (I've never made it through Gog on VdGG's Still Life) but unreleased studios and b-sides are alright a lot of the time. It's hard to listen to them in context a lot of the time, usually if bsides are used as bonuses I try to reconstruct the ep from whence they came and listen to it like that. Bonus tracks... I'm indifferent really, they've never changed the way I've thought about an album, and some of them are good - while some of them I've never listened to and maybe never will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 01:52
I usually like them, may it be bass and drums tracks as in Atheist's remasters or previously unreleased songs. I actually discovered a very good song listening Caravan's Land of Grey and Pink's bonus tracks: Aristocracy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 00:06
Generally speaking I like the original albums because of the flow. However there are exceptions, such as Jimi Hendrix, Band of Gypsies......which was a great original album...however...the release of the entire CD was a double CD which contained much great stuff which blew me away....of course someone else felt the same and stole it...so.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:53
It doesn't make a difference to me about the tracklist, if you want to hear or see the original tracklisting then don't bother picking up a re-issue and just enjoy it the way it is. Or just cross out the extra songs on the CD case Wink I always appreciate an added addition of unreleased material, demo versions of the songs (always cool to hear what the song originally sounded like) and live cuts. I think it adds more to the package. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:43
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Well I necessary think they're worthless. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS but in GENERAL.

I highly prefer JUST THE ORIGINAL PLAYLIST.

Eg: Deep Purple's bonus tracks are junky BBC sessions of the same song.

TAAB has TAAB live version and I think it's worthless and boring. While the Interview is interesting but just to listen once.

Good bonus tracks would be B-Sides or Outtakes or even Live versions. But I generally prefer the Original Playlist without getting ruined with junkies or reapeted songs.

I think, generally, bonus tracks are a bad thing that ruin the Original Playlist intended by the Author(band, artist).

Discuss.


Yep, completely agree and apart from a very few exceptional instances, the 'previously unreleased' description merely serves to confirm why.Clap

There are some truly atrocious live tracks being added to most of the reissued VDGG studio albums and these 'baby clangers' only serve to tarnish a great band's reputation.

On the plus side, there are some real 'diamonds in the mire' on some of the ELP boxed sets which are certainly worth owning.

Let's face it, who wants to see Da Vinci's failed and abandoned sketches that prefaced the Mona Lisa ?
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