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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:21 | |
This is what I meant! THX for the examples! |
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:19 | |
another fine answer! |
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:17 | |
pff. Sorry dude I don't live in a place where I can choose bonus or not. So I'll buy any album I want, and not for the bonus but the ORIGINAL PLAYLIST! WTF is your prob! Aqualung with bonus or not... It's like the 6th time it's said that. "Don't listen to them" Well I'm gradually mix up here Cause I thought I was talking to well Prog Listeners... As much of them love the flaw of the album and like the album from START TO FINISH, without any junky stuff(in general). I want the album 40 min from start to finish not a 60 min and stopping it at 40, you'll think it's kinda lazy my attitude, but it's not, the Artist tended the album to be like THAT and not with some enhanced sh*t! Ok Warchild gets better(EXCEPTION!) And some others too. Please stop bashing me up. And give some good back-up to make your reply worthy even though disagreeing. Edited by cacho - June 23 2008 at 17:25 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:10 | |
At last a good, one that I agree fully comment! The rest, sorry, but you're all bashing me, and not really seeing my point, just wanting to avoid it and make me suffer, right? |
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:05 | |
Yeah Jethro's not so good albums have good bonus material, thx god! |
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Logan
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:01 | |
I'm sure like many, I can set tracks to play on my (multi-disc) CD player too.
I love getting bonus tracks, and I rather expect them these days on most re-releases. I expect "extras" on DVDs, and love 'em. As has been said, they're usually at the end, so they don't interrupt the flow. The more extras the better for me. When I'm listening to a CD for the first time, I usually skip the bonus tracks, but usually find myself enjoying them, or at least find them to be of some interest in the future. I do prefer it when they are not just alternate versions of the same song, but don't mind those either. The best "bonus tracks" I can think of are on Jean-Paul Prat's Masal. There is nearly as much music on the bonus tracks as there is from the original LP "Masal" release, and it's different music that is excellent, but had never been released before. An excerpt from a review to be seen at gnosis: http://gnosis2000.net/reviews/prat.htm
There are quitea few cases where I enjoy the bonus tracks as much as the other music, but usually I just find it nice to have as an extra. |
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listen
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 14:48 | |
Or, if you have a computer, upload the cd and burn a disc without the bonus tracks. or make a playlist on your ipod if you have one. or just skip the tracks. |
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 10:29 | |
Well, I'm in two minds about tthe bonus tracks, sometimes they're worthwhile, at other times they're unnecessary.
As for some examples: Deep Purple in Rock has (in my mind) always been incomplete without Black Knight. So the inclusion of this track alone made in worthwhile.
The bonus tracks on the Jethro Tull albums are'nt worthwhile for those owning the 20th Aniversary Box Set. (Possibly the cause of this set's unavailability is due to the fact that it would make the remasters more interesting?)
I find all the bonus tracks on VdGG worthless because of the sound quality, I don't rate historical significance at all, in this case. Same for Uriah Heep, I guess.
ELP re-issues: A mixed bag, some good, some useless.
But one thing that is beside the point of this thread: I find re-issues generally quite interesting because in almost all cases I've come across, the sound quality has been significantly enhanced, so I tend to get them for this reason alone. The Genesis remasters are a case in point: No bonus tracks, but markedly enhanced audio quality, so worthwhile. Pink Floyd, Rush, and Led Zeppelin - Same thing.
The Yes remasters are mainly good: The bonus tracks on Going for the One, Drama, Tormato are outstanding, whereas the studio runthroughs on albums like Tales are OK, but no more than that.
But then again, as they're almost located after the original album tracks, the argument about harming the flow of an album isn't really valid. Where's the harm in them. If you don't like them, just stop the album after the original listing has run.
So: I find bonus tracks themselves to be usually a hit-or-miss affair, slightly tending toward the latter, I'm afraid. Edited by npjnpj - June 23 2008 at 10:35 |
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 09:56 | |
I love bonus tracks! Old rehearsals, b-sides, live cuts, different mixes, etc. They're great. However I think they should come on a separate disc as to not ruin the flow of the album. Elvis Costello and Rhino records did a great thing by including all related bonus tracks to a specific album on a second disc (they were also kind enough to include liner notes written by Costello explaining the album sessions and time period). 2 discs, great notes all for only 13.99! It was a great thing. Then Costello had to go an re-re-re-reissue his albums again in a completely different way only a couple years later.
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Drew
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:21 | |
Camel has some pretty good live bonus tracks........
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A B Negative
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 06:12 | |
Fill up the CD with bonus tracks! Live versions, demos, radio sessions, tracks previously only available on vinyl, interviews, CD-ROMs...
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:43 | |
B-sides and outtake tracks I can dig. Alternate/live versions of tracks already on the original album, not so much.
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:03 | |
It depends a lot on the kind of bonus track. If it is a track that was recorded at the same time as the album but only ever appeared on the B-side of a single or the likes then I very much welcome the bonus track. Example given: The remastered release of "The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome" by Van der Graaf has the tracks "Door" and "Ship of Fools" on it, songs that only appear on the live album "Vital"; I think it is great that one can hear the studio versions here too.Tthe instrumental version of "The Wave", which is the third bonus track, was not really necessary though, but I can live with it.
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 03:41 | |
Sometimes they're nice, but I still think that if they're worth releasing they should be released as a compilation instead of scattering them on a series of remastered albums.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:53 | |
Problem?
Solution!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:48 | |
Can't say I really play them all that often. I usually like the album
to end when it was supposed to end. I find demos and single versions of
song be be a little useless sometimes. Live tracks are good when the
quality is decent (I've never made it through Gog on VdGG's Still Life)
but unreleased studios and b-sides are alright a lot of the time. It's
hard to listen to them in context a lot of the time, usually if bsides
are used as bonuses I try to reconstruct the ep from whence they came
and listen to it like that. Bonus tracks... I'm indifferent really,
they've never changed the way I've thought about an album, and some of
them are good - while some of them I've never listened to and maybe
never will.
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Prospero
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 01:52 | |
I usually like them, may it be bass and drums tracks as in Atheist's remasters or previously unreleased songs. I actually discovered a very good song listening Caravan's Land of Grey and Pink's bonus tracks: Aristocracy.
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KrakAtack
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 06 2008 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 165 |
Posted: June 23 2008 at 00:06 | |
Generally speaking I like the original albums because of the flow. However there are exceptions, such as Jimi Hendrix, Band of Gypsies......which was a great original album...however...the release of the entire CD was a double CD which contained much great stuff which blew me away....of course someone else felt the same and stole it...so.......
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Jozef
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:53 | |
It doesn't make a difference to me about the tracklist, if you want to hear or see the original tracklisting then don't bother picking up a re-issue and just enjoy it the way it is. Or just cross out the extra songs on the CD case I always appreciate an added addition of unreleased material, demo versions of the songs (always cool to hear what the song originally sounded like) and live cuts. I think it adds more to the package.
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ExittheLemming
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:43 | |
Yep, completely agree and apart from a very few exceptional instances, the 'previously unreleased' description merely serves to confirm why. There are some truly atrocious live tracks being added to most of the reissued VDGG studio albums and these 'baby clangers' only serve to tarnish a great band's reputation. On the plus side, there are some real 'diamonds in the mire' on some of the ELP boxed sets which are certainly worth owning. Let's face it, who wants to see Da Vinci's failed and abandoned sketches that prefaced the Mona Lisa ? |
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