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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:57
Originally posted by Unsouled Unsouled wrote:

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Thanks, that completely clears things up. Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 21:44
Those are both very technical pieces, but those are not "shredding" pieces.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 21:43
Apparently OP has never heard Fripp's guitar work  on Cirkus or LTIA 1.  Pure shredding those are,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 18:28
And re: the original post, I think the reason Fripp doesn't "shred," per se, is because he's opposed to it.  Shredding tends to be sterile, emotionless playing in which guitarists add more notes because, well, they can.  Fripp is far more interested in expression than technique.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 18:12
I remember seeing an absolutely mindblowing solo on youtube several months ago where Fripp was playing some of the fastest, most complex guitar work I've ever seen and half the time he wasn't even bothering to look at the fretboard.  Unfortunately, it appears that it has been removed from YouTube.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 17:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 16:25
Originally posted by Unsouled Unsouled wrote:

Admittedly I wrote that post while tired with an exhausted brain.  Let me explain.

Mr. Bob Fripp has stated in interviews (which can be found on the Elephant Talk wiki) that he believes he has not inherited any "natural abilities or qualities" when it comes to playing the guitar, and that his technical skill and sustain is a result of sheer effort and commitment.  However, to say "talentless" was an obvious mistake, as "talented" has become synonymous with "skilled" and "accomplished" in modern culture.

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By "shredding," I was referring to playing as many notes as fast as possible, such as in "20 note-per-second alternative picking lines."  I wholly understand that this does not "need" to be done, nor is it "ideal," or "preferential."  I ask this question out of simple curiosity, as it is one of the only things I haven't seen him do.

....I am, if anything, a complete Fripp/KCrimson nut.  Fripp's development and work with NST and soundscapes, guitar craft, simply what he does and how he does it, are astounding.  It appears I've led some to the misconception that if he can't shred, I don't recognize this.  This is not the case.  I'll get around to rewording the first post in order to make this more clear....

Hmmm, how fast is it possible to play as many notes?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 12:30
Admittedly I wrote that post while tired with an exhausted brain.  Let me explain.

Mr. Bob Fripp has stated in interviews (which can be found on the Elephant Talk wiki) that he believes he has not inherited any "natural abilities or qualities" when it comes to playing the guitar, and that his technical skill and sustain is a result of sheer effort and commitment.  However, to say "talentless" was an obvious mistake, as "talented" has become synonymous with "skilled" and "accomplished" in modern culture.

Anyways....

By "shredding," I was referring to playing many notes as fast as possible, such as in "20 note-per-second alternative picking lines."  I wholly understand that this does not "need" to be done, nor is it "ideal," or "preferential."  I ask this question out of simple curiosity, as it is one of the only things I haven't seen him do.

....I am, if anything, a complete Fripp/KCrimson nut.  Fripp's development and work with NST and soundscapes, guitar craft, simply what he does and how he does it, are astounding.  It appears I've led some to the misconception that if he can't shred, I don't recognize this.  This is not the case.  I'll get around to rewording the first post in order to make this more clear....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 10:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

i like how everyone jumped on the opening sentense and completely ignored everything else.



Teaches you something about the importance of the first sentence in any form of conversation.Smile
Sure as hell does. :)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 10:35
As for Fripp shredding, yes, footage I've seen of him has shown him alternate pick at virtuosic speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 10:34
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Haven't really listened to Deep Purple, so it's not really a frame of reference I can latch on to.  Big Steve Morse fan though.  Anyone qualify him as a shredder?
 
I don't see how is anything but a shredder, that was almost a confusing question to be honest. The man blisters through incredible alternate picked lines with almost no effort, that is definitely a shredderBig%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 10:20
waa waaa waaa waaa whaaaaaaa, digga digga digga digga digga digga digga? Tongue

Edited by Slartibartfast - May 03 2008 at 10:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 10:14
Haven't really listened to Deep Purple, so it's not really a frame of reference I can latch on to.  Big Steve Morse fan though.  Anyone qualify him as a shredder?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 09:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

My big question would then be how do you define "shredding"?


I think it's the fast neoclassical type of lead guitar playing Ritchie Blackmore made popular.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 07:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

i like how everyone jumped on the opening sentense and completely ignored everything else.



Teaches you something about the importance of the first sentence in any form of conversation.Smile

Looked like some people didn't even get past the "talentless" word to even read the rest of sentence.  LOL
My big question would then be how do you define "shredding"? 

My impression is that it's playing really fast, sloppiness be damned.  When you shred paper, don't you make a neatly sliced mess of it?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 06:33
Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

i like how everyone jumped on the opening sentense and completely ignored everything else.



Teaches you something about the importance of the first sentence in any form of conversation.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 06:24
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

i like how everyone jumped on the opening sentense and completely ignored everything else. I would help but unfortunately, there really are no videos on youtube (and in extention the internet) that show Fripp shredding.....



What else do you expect on a prog forum when somebody calls an icon "talentless."

Also, seeing as the rest of the post was nearly incomprehensible, that also made things more difficult for those trying to respond to the thread.


I think the original poster meant that Fripp began with no talent for playing the guitar, but practised like hell to become better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 01:51
Can't say that I've seen the man shred in KC or solo but I enjoy what he does, I appreciate it and I do enjoy his soundscapes as well. The man has a wicked sense of humor and is comfortable with speaking in public.

Icon, Legend call him what you will but he is in the top 100 guitarists and will likely still be after he stops playing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 00:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o-FP0m_TNI

There's a pretty good alternate picking thing near the beginning.

I know there's more somewhere...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2008 at 00:52
Shredding is child's play when you've developed a New Standard tuning, and have played the guitar parts on Discipline.
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