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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 13:37
that was an awesome link! very cool, I'm in the process of burning my lateralus cd to my computer so I can change the order of the track listing, I'm very intrigue.  Personally never put quite that much thought into any music, but have had a tool obsession for the couple of years and it's not dying!Tongue
As for people not considering tool progressive, I don't understand why, because many of these people are porcupine tree fans(i find them similar in many ways), as so am I, and I would call tool waaay more progressive, they are pushing way more boundaries then pt.  Most of the pt prog sound comes from the production, where as tools comes from the song writing and composition, I think people just like to initiate massive threads like this one by trying to knock a superior band such as tool, genesis or elp, just for the hell of it. they obviously enjoy arguing(I do!LOL) People will always hate on the popular ones even if they are great!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 08:13
I think this will open some eyes to  Tool.

This is the song structure to Lateralus.. Keep in mind that Tool incorporated the composition and musical structure of the song to the actual theme of the song.. How many bands do that? Notice later in the song he sings the phrase "spiral out".. In other words, the missing section earlier was intended. Intended because the whole theme of the song is to not stay in the spiral of the rules, but to "spiral out", away from the sequence confining us..  Brilliant !

It's explained right here in this video-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY

Keep in mind this is only one song.. Tool incorporates brilliance and such genius in many of their songs. They do everything for a reason, from their musical composition to their artwork to their lyrics. . This is not your everyday band to be sure
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 06:12
they are not big favorites of mine but they're undeniably excellent, and I'd think very appealing to those who like both heavy and complex music but haven't quite gotten fully into Prog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 06:06
^ Vonn, you can edit your posts by pulling down the Post%20Options Post Options drop-down menu Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 06:04
Tool totally changed the way I listen to music. For the better. I can't say that for any other band with the exception of Tool.

Tool's 13 minute Salival version of "Push it", is just one of the reasons.. If you haven't heard this masterpiece, I highly recommend listening to it here-  The instrumental portion starting at about the 9 minute mark is nothing short of mindblowing and I can listen to that segment for hours on end, and still want to hear it more. Intoxicating.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CqUYWLJ_0Ko

And Tool's cover of Zeppelins  "No Quarter" is the best cover I have ever heard-..  It can be heard here. Includes Alex Grey artwork, Tool's artist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wAt2_H0F8Oo

Nobody has ever covered a Led Zeppelin song close to that good.

Tool did an amazing job of changing the song according to their own style, yet were still able to keep the mood of the original. Walking that fine line so effortlessly takes mega talent.

And what can I say about the acoustic guitar progression starting at 5:41 , it's so beautiful. And then the guitars go to a twisty winding distorted sound that ends at 6:17.. And of course the gulping bass guitar sounds intertwined with the guitar there.. At 5:50 the bass makes a gulping sound, then at 5:52 it has a higher pitch as if it's coming up for air, then just a second later at 5:53 the bass guitar makes another gulping sound that all just fits in so well with the guitar making for beautiful textures that just makes me shake my head in amazement giving me goosebumps..  That entire sequence is some of the best music I have ever heard.. Tool knows how to make subtle sounds like that, sounds that most people wouldn't notice. But if you give them the time to listen to, the rewards are so tremendous.Pure Magic
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2008 at 06:22
Well I first listened to Tool years and years ago, but for about 2 year never heard them at all. The first Tool album I bought was 10 000 days, about a month after it was released. It took me about 6 months to actually 'get it', but once I got it, 10 000 days has become a very special album for me, something I will only listen to now and then, but I listen to it from start to end, with no interruptions, and by the end of the album, I feel like I've gone 'somewhere else' for the duration of the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2008 at 05:46
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

^How many times did you try listening to them?
 
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like it at all, but it really isn't my cup of tea. That does not mean that I will stop listening to it. It will be kind of like Riverside and their third album, ok, but not great, but I will continue to listen, I don't give up that easy..............Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2008 at 05:09
^How many times did you try listening to them?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2008 at 04:06
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Tried them, couldn't see anything really interesting, moved on.

Not prog at all in my view. However, certainly not offensive and unpleasant like a few of the newer prog bands. Perhaps being nearer 60 than 50 doesn't help!
 
I took the bait and picked up Lateralus after reading some of the reviews and yes, I have to agree with you. Nothing really all that special to me either. Oh well, you win some and you lose some. Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 12:38
I guess if you cannot get into Tool, then you must give up on music entirely.  Wait a second, there are other artists out there... Tongue
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 12:30
You challenged me, Ian, so...

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Tool is masterliness!
 
They're subject matter stretches way beyond any "grunge metal"

They are subject matter stretches way beyond any grunge metal WHAT? Finish the sentence!!!
Big%20smile
 
Quote Just they're artisticness alone is progressive.

In fact, they're so artistic, their fans invent words! ZOMG! Big%20smile
 
Quote Maynard can hit a huge range just listen to the contast fromThe grudge and the pot

No commas? A missing space? Spastic capitalization? NO PERIOD?!?! Shocked
 
Quote Adam Jones' conservative and very technical guitar playing itself is far beyong any metal/grunge guitar player.

Well done, only one error in this one! Wink
 
Quote I have made many lines for you people to quote and say how stupid I am so I can crush you into the dust... now c;mon BRING IT!


Well, I c;mon'd and BROUGHT IT. Big%20smile
That dust looks very inviting...

(This post is just me being playful, I don't feel like discussion Tool.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 12:04
I completely agree that Tool songs create a very deep emotional response, but it takes a good amount of patience to get in to. I am by no means a metalhead, so I think it's telling that one of the main descriptions I use for Toll's music is beautiful.

If you want to get in to Tool, but you find you are having trouble doing so, I'd suggest starting with another band altogether. A few years ago, when I was looking for new music, a friend suggested I listen to Orestes by A Perfect Circle. I put on my headphones and listened to the track and my eyes/ears were opened to a new level of music. I still didn't immediately like Tool. I listened to Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step for months before I went and bought Aenima. To this day I occasionally will discover something new in any random Tool song (APC too for that matter) that completely blows me away.

Try this youtube video for Lateralus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY

When I'm absolutly furious (This doesn't happen often. I'm a laid back guy.) I'll listen to Ticks and Leeches (it physically hurts Maynard's voicebox to sing this song) and then Aenima. About 5 minutes into Aenima, Maynard sings loud and clear over the quietly played intruments and it always seems to soothe the soul.
"Finding beauty in the dissonance" - Tool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2008 at 13:39
Yes, I also tought that Toll was a Prog-grunge band LOL
Then I starte dto listen them a little bit more...
And I realized that they are crazy, but have a great Bass n Drum players
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2008 at 05:31
I like their drums a lot, but that's really it. 
http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2008 at 04:02
Tool takes a bit to finally hit you.  I dont think Ive ever listened to a Tool album on first listen and thought it was anything spectacular.  Just one of those bands that takes a couple listens.  I had a friend who was so persistent about his dislike for Tool.  After years he finally realized what it was all about and now he constantly praises them. The songs are very climactic, and when you get into them, its truly an emotional experience.

Whether they are prog or not, I will leave that to the experts, I always thought they had prog elements.  Who cares about the genre anyways, if you like it, you like it.

Its really hard to recommend songs, if your just starting out I would just put the album on from the beginning (skip the fillers too, lot of times they aren't necessary).  Lateralus and Aenima are the masterpiece albums, definitely start with those.

Though like everyone else says, if you dont like it, whats the big deal? Tons of other great bands to listen to.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2008 at 22:17

"Cannot get into Tool"  Tough!    I can. For a near 50 year old I have no problem with the heavier side of life.Wink

"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2008 at 06:30

If you can't get into them, just skip 'em and don't bother with it anymore.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2008 at 13:11
Some songs that you might like on the proggier side of things...Disposition, Reflection, Lateralus, The Patient, Intension, Right in Two, Third Eye, No Quarter, 4 Degrees, Push*t to name a few!!  Give those a few more listens and you might change your mind!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2008 at 22:18
I want to,but it might seem like I'm biased or something.WinkTongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2008 at 21:33
Somebody (Jody), kill this thread.
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