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Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:14

Not my favorite Beatles album, but certainly not "overrrated".

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Posted: August 23 2007 at 04:13

Another thing to remember is that the journey from "Help" to "A Day in the Life" took less than 2 years, with Rubber Soul and Revolver in between. Most bands take that long (and more) to release one album these days.

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Posted: August 22 2007 at 19:43

Most of the album was recorded 4 months before the awful grungent poppers was. It was still a story about a yellow submarine, which makes it as conceptual as sgt peppers.

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Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:46

Hyperborea wrote:

May i bring my pedantic hat to this great site? Earlier in this discussion i stated that Yellow Submarine had been released before Sgt Peppers, i apologise i was wrong. What i should've said was that Yellow Submarine was recorded before Sgt peppers and a single was released in 1966..the 5th of August to be exact. So, Yellow Submarine was the first concept album the Beatles recorded.....and it's mince, a bit like Sgt Pepper.

I get all Sgt Peppers was/is still doesn't make it agood album, one of the very few Beatles albums i would not listen to.

Sorry to be pedantic back but, although the song "Yellow Submarine" was recorded before Sgt Pepper as you say most of the album was recorded afterwards e.g. Hey Bulldog was recorded in Feb 1968. Also it's not really a concept album as the Beatles' songs on it (title track apart) bear no relation to the story in the film. It's a soundtrack.

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Posted: August 20 2007 at 19:07

May i bring my pedantic hat to this great site? Earlier in this discussion i stated that Yellow Submarine had been released before Sgt Peppers, i apologise i was wrong. What i should've said was that Yellow Submarine was recorded before Sgt peppers and a single was released in 1966..the 5th of August to be exact. So, Yellow Submarine was the first concept album the Beatles recorded.....and it's mince, a bit like Sgt Pepper.

I get all Sgt Peppers was/is still doesn't make it agood album, one of the very few Beatles albums i would not listen to.

Edited by Hyperborea - August 20 2007 at 19:08

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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:55

The few whiners here will never hide the fact that SERGEANT PEPPERS was a groundbreaking work and its ramifications went well further than the musical world to extend to the modification of the lifestyle of the youth back then , their way of thinking, thus changing the rules of life and ''modernize' our society .

There are people who don't get SERGEANT PEPPERs;some also don't like FOIE GRAS and CHAMPAGNE!

I do!!!

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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:52

Magical Mystery Tour better than Sgt. Pepper's? Surely you jest. Pepper's is wonderful all the way through, and it tore the walls of rock. Without it there would have been no Magical Mystery Tour. Sgt. Pepper's prved that change could be made to rock. MMT was good, but I'd only give it three stars, while the Sarge gets five without question.

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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:38

I was about to express my opinion, but Ivan´s statement already summarizes it. It was not a person or a small group that decided that Sgt. Peppers was groundbreaking. It was naturally groundbreaking, like you or not the album. And you can confirm this because it is part of the well-recorded history. You can do a detailed search and learned how it was important at different places and times.

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Posted: August 18 2007 at 05:49

mystic fred wrote:

Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world whether they were into classical, reggae or any kind of musical genre or nationality - who else has managed that - DSOTM could be another good example, or the "White" album that followed? That had many detractors, but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!

As for being overrated amongst other Beatle music from the same period, Pepper wouldn't have been made without Revolver, and much on the MMT album was written around the same time but not originally intended for one album; "Walrus" was an extremely outstanding song amongst others written specifically for the MMT TV special and "Fool on the Hill" was written during the Pepper sessions, "Hello Goodbye" "Strawberry Fields" and "All you need is Love" were originally 45 rpm singles, the most popular format at the time and not intended for album inclusion - radically there were no singles released off "Pepper" in the UK at the time, the album was intended to be listened to as a single entity (another band who later adopted this anti -single philosophy permanently was Led Zeppelin).

It is easy to criticise in retrospect - Pepper is not overrated.

Excatly my thoughts and a great introduction to the background of this 1967 release. Thank you!

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Posted: August 17 2007 at 22:01

T.Rox wrote:

mystic fred wrote:

...but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!

I would like to think this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, Mystic Fred

One of the great things to me is when my kids "discover" some artist or piece of music outside of my home and when they tell me about it I just happen to pull it out of the collection that is right under their noses! One day they will start to trawl through what I have just to see what is there

On the subject of kids, I had a great experience taking my two eldest boys to see Heaven And Hell (aka Black Sabbath) in concert here in Perth, Western Australia the other week. All three of us got into the concert ... Iommi & Dio were in fine form ... we were all blown away by the drum solo ... and we all hated Down, the support act ... all in all a pretty good night of generation gap bridging

now that is giving the kids a good musical education hahahha.

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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:57

mystic fred wrote:

...but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!

I would like to think this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, Mystic Fred

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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:10

If Joe Bloggs and the Dirt Eaters had realeased Sgt Peppers it would've died a death...unfortunately in their drug fuelled nonsense...the Beatles released it. And hoopla it's great...it is not...it is shear boredom and blandness, one of the Beatles weakest woks. A def up our own arses album...and def not prog....ever.

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Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:01

When I first started getting seriously into music 20+ years ago, the widely held belief was that Sgt Pepper's was the best album ever. It would regularly top polls of greatest albums.

In the past few years, Revolver seems to have overtaken it.

Personally, I prefer The Rutles.

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Posted: August 11 2007 at 04:12

Hyperborea wrote:

If boring and bland make an album overrated then Sgt Peppers is def way overrated. Not the Beatles at their best, and not all that significant, as they had already done a concept album in Yellow Submarine, or does that heap of crap not count?

"Not all that significant"? - you obviously haven't read anything about the effect that Sgt Pepper had on the world at the time of it's release.

And Yellow Submarine was after Sgt Pepper.

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Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:20

If boring and bland make an album overrated then Sgt Peppers is def way overrated. Not the Beatles at their best, and not all that significant, as they had already done a concept album in Yellow Submarine, or does that heap of crap not count?

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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:48

micky wrote:

only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock.

Better said, impossible Clap

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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:47

Melomaniac wrote:

One can like or dislike Sgt. Pepper, but no one can deny the impact it had when it was released.

Tru dat

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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:43

In the liner notes of the "Strange Days" album by The Doors (Rhino Reissue), it was written that producer/engineer Bruce Botnick played Sgt. Pepper to the band, and it gave them the idea of using the studio as an instrument in itself rather than only a means to record, and the results speak for themselves.

One can like or dislike Sgt. Pepper, but no one can deny the impact it had when it was released.

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