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jme
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 19:52 | |
i think there is a very fine line between some fusion and prog. i would still consider return to forever prog. i mean, it is fusion, yet has elements of rock in it.
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Nightfly
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 06:29 | |
Thanks for that Dick, it's on my list to order in the near future. I've overspent this month on new music so it will have to wait until it can go on the next Visa bill or the wife will kill me!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 06:17 | |
Pretty good. Can't comment on Iceberg - I only have one of their albums, but it isn't any one listed here. I hear the DiMeola album as a blossoming out - it was a double vinyl release which gave Al a chance to express himself with more than the usual Latin jazz rock, however, my CD version doesn't have all the original LP's tracks. Clarke's 4th album Schooldays was seen as the height of Clarke's early solo career, but has dropped back from being my favourite, in part because some tracks now seem overstretched - mind you the live version of the title track Schooldays is really overblown, (i.e. on I Wanna Play For You.). I've gone back to preferring the eponymous second Stanley Clarke album, with with its superstar cast of players: Jan Hammer, Bill Connors (the original RTF guitarist) and Tony Williams. Talking of which, I strongly recommend RTF with Bill Connors' Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy - which has always been my favourite RTF album. The J-L Ponty I have (i.e. it ain't bad) but I'm afraid it is one of those albums I can confuse with several of his others from that period - personally I prefer Ponty with guests to create some musical tension and so on. I would go for Enigmatic Ocean - Allan Holdsworth shines, Daryl Stuermer also plays lead,and it is also Steve Smith's (now a very reputable fusion drummer e.g. Vital Information, Vital Tech Tones) first recording. Coincidentally a colleague bought Enigmatic Ocean this week, and I 'm surprised to discover the CD still hasn't been remastered; I've had my copy for over 15 years - we agreed that the treble end of the recording (e.g. cymbals) is right in your face (cf. the LP version) and can be distracting. Edited by Dick Heath - April 12 2008 at 06:20 |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 17:28 | |
Jazz-rock is really interesting. There are tons of excellent stuff. These are the latest purchases for me:
- Return to Forever / Where Have I known You Before?
- Jean Luc Ponty / Cosmic Messenger
- Stanley Clarke / School Days
- Iceberg / Sentiments
- Iceberg / Arc en Ciel
- Al Di Meola / Splendido Hotel
What do you think of these records? |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 05:25 | |
Got it, played a number of tracks on the radio show - far more subtle and maturer than the 80's Trower/Bruce outings, it is my favourite of their's and one of my favourite albums purchased this year. Should be treated as a trio album, since Gary Husband fits its in and complements so well - and so unlike his Holdsworth, Level 42, Jim Mullen, etc. drumming.
BTW Sid Smith in his Postcards From The Yellow Room, (duplicated in his review in the latest Classic Rock!!) is also full of praise for the recently released 3 CD set of Jack Bruce at the BBC .
Edited by Dick Heath - April 10 2008 at 05:26 |
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Nightfly
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Posted: April 09 2008 at 15:18 | |
On the subject of Jack Bruce i see he's just released an album with Robin Trower with Gary Husband on Drums which sounds pretty interesting. Anyone heard it yet and is it worth getting?
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 12:08 | |
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Padraic
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Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:59 | |
That is a good one - I've been meaning to get some more PM Gong myself, perhaps Expresso II to start. |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:54 | |
My last jazz-rock purchases:
- Return to Forever / Where Have I known You Before?
- Stanley Clarke / School Days
- Iceberg / Sentiments
- Iceberg / Arc en Ciel
- Al Di Meola / Splendido Hotel
(I'm buying a lot of jazz-rock stuff lately)
What do you think of these records? Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 07 2008 at 12:55 |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 03 2008 at 10:36 | |
Been catching up on buying and scounging recently.
Panzerballett's Stacke Stucke still wins it for me the best so far of 2008 releases.
Recently obtained a couple of Bill Connor's electric legato albums recorded in the 80's
Garaj Mahal's first studio album (Mondo Garaj: jam jazz/indo-jazz fusion) and also Fareed Haque Group's first album. Also in the Indo-jazz genre, Jonas Hellberg's 1999 recording Friends Across Boundaries
Also the third studio album by Whoopgnash, Lack of Education - fast and furious modal jazz fusion.
Ordered Jack Bruce & The HR Big Band recording, and the forthcoming Miles From India (featuring John McLaughlin). Also see there is a bit of who's who on Chris Buck's album (Holdsworth, etc.) - wonder whether I should buy?:
Also an interesting chart based on best sellers at Abstract Logix, reflecting the genre is alive and well and not just living in the 70's:
1. Tal Wilkenfeld - Transformation w/Wayne Krantz, Seamus Blake, Keith Carlock
2. Alex Machacek, Matthew Garrison, Jeff Sipe - Improvision 3. John McLaughlin/Jaco Pastorius/Tony Williams/Trio of Doom - The Trio of Doom Live 4. Brett Garsed/Scott Kinsey/Gary Willis/Dennis Chambers/T.J.Helmerich : Uncle Moe's Space Ranch II : Moe's Town 5. Jonas Hellborg - Art Metal 6. Gary Willis - Actual Fiction 7. Hadrien Feraud 8. Eric Clapton: Crossroads Guitar Festival 2007 ( 2 DVD) 9. Various Artists - Freeway Jam: to Beck & Back - Jeff Beck Tribute 10. Weather Report- Live At Montreux Jazz Festival (DVD) Edited by Dick Heath - April 03 2008 at 10:39 |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 19:32 | |
BEWARE OF THE HYPE I've downloaded whole of the album from I-Tunes for I-Pod playand also made a CD for radioplay - the CD player tells me total time is 40' 31" - which I do believe is well less than than an hour. Feedback playing Plan Invasion on the show tonight - 'noodling 'and somebody even mistook the track for the Mars Volta.... As for originality , not convinced - Uncle Joes Space Ranch has more to offer in IMHO. Scorching???? BTW converted to CD the sound quality is not so good. And is this the Pecy Jones of Brand X and Tunnels??? Believe too much of that hype and be disappointed. |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 09:48 | |
A bit of digging reveals:
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Napster doesn't work outside the USA - but go to Scott McGill on (rip-off) I-tunes where you can get the album for about 6 quid.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 12 2008 at 18:52 | |
Just read Scott McGill and Percy Jones have recorded and uploaded something on the web - claimed to cutting edge. Info please
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darkshade
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 01:56 | |
there's sooooo much! a lot that isnt even on this site. Im listening to Make A Jazz Noise by Frank Zappa, and it is without a doubt on of the best jazz-fusion albums ive ever heard!
others bands and artists that are great are John Scofield, Pat Metheny Group, The Zawinul Syndicate, Miles Davis, Dreams, Steve Jenkins, John Abercrombie, Charlie Hunter, Larry Coryell and the Eleventh House, Tower of Power (more funk though), Joshua Redman Elastic Band, Billy Cobham/George Duke Band, Herbie Hancock's Headhunters, and soooo many more! |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 14 2008 at 08:53 | |
Coincidentally picked up Deadline's Dissident album secondhand in last couple of days, with a similar line-up, (Laswell's Axiom and Jonas Hellborg's DEM labels seemed to do a lot exchanges of personnel in the early 90's). Bootsie Collins, Hellborg and Laswell providing the basses (can't be bad), along with Nicky Skopelitis and Bernie Worrell and Jens Johansson. I continue to wonder at Hellborg's shear range of musical experiments and variations (and many are found on record) from that period. Edited by Dick Heath - February 15 2008 at 08:26 |
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superprog
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Posted: February 14 2008 at 05:10 | |
just bought this cd from the shop near my office:
Nicky Skopelitis - Ekstasis (released on Bill Laswell's Axiom label in 1993 this is brillo avant-world-fusion feat. Laswell, Jah Wobble, Jaki Liebzeit, Zakir Hussain and many others......)
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superprog
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 23:03 | |
last night i watched the dvd Electric Miles: A Diff Kind of Blue.feat interviews with Santana & ppl who played with him (Herbie, Chick, Keith, Dave, Airto etc.). Very touching tributes from them esp Herbie's Fender Rhodes dedication at the end.
And its got the full 38min performance at the Isle of Wight festival in 1970. Freekin sooper dooper intense beautiful and awesome stuff. Improv at its finest!!!
Makes we wanna go and watch my Supersilent 7 and Weather Report dvds again to soak in the fusion power!!!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 10:12 | |
At very long last I've got a CD remaster of Hubert Laws* The Chicago Theme album beit on a Japanese import (but reasonable price thru' Amazon.UK) . Great flute playing in the classic CTI Records, early 70's jazz fusion house style (e.g. Bob James producing). One of my all time top ten fusion tune Inflation Chaser is included with a who's who of the scene at the time: Dave Sanborn, Mike Brecker, Stanley Clarke etc.
*Ronnie Laws' dad. Edited by Dick Heath - February 13 2008 at 10:13 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 10:27 | |
I'm a newb to here but still I rather listen to:
Mahavishnu Orchestra Billy Cobham Return to Forever Al Di Meola, Stanley Clarke and Jean Luc Ponty Jean Luc Ponty Herbie Hancock Dixie Dregs: jazz rock |
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Zargus
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Posted: February 11 2008 at 04:15 | |
Great fussion album that sounds nohting like early Gong, it culd howerver be described as sounding like the artwork. Sweet stuff!
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