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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 02:22
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

It borrows from Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin and electronica in general. It's original, but not original enough to come even close to outweighing everything done since 1983.
Do you really know what has been recorded in the past 10 years alone?
In terms of prog?, there has been nothing that has dropped my jaw in terms of innovation and uniqueness, sure KC is good and Mike Oldfield has released some strong albums, but nothing to change the direction of rock in such a dramatic way, most prog b4 that  and OK Computer  album was pretty much imitating Genesis and Yes. Listen to Spocks Beard and Flower Kings etc they are just rehashing old ideas whats progressive about them? they are Symphonic Rock but not progressive



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 02:15
It borrows from Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin and electronica in general. It's original, but not original enough to come even close to outweighing everything done since 1983.
Do you really know what has been recorded in the past 10 years alone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 02:15
just heard the remarkable Russian band Aviva.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 02:10
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

One word - KIDA
This album is more innovative than all the prog put together since 1983
Do you mean Kid A by Radiohead? If so, I have to vehemently disagree. If not, what are you talking about?
why? like it or not, its still ground breaking.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 02:09
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

One word - KIDA
This album is more innovative than all the prog put together since 1983
Do you mean Kid A by Radiohead? If so, I have to vehemently disagree. If not, what are you talking about?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 01:25
Originally posted by KansasRushDream KansasRushDream wrote:

To a small extent, yes, but in the big picture, no. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I think that the only room for true innovation left today is in genre fusing. Progressive Smooth Metal Swing Techno anyone?
 
Minus the techno and you have Diablo Swing Orchestra! (a band I failed to mention before).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 00:34
One word - KIDA
This album is more innovative than all the prog put together since 1983



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 00:30
Originally posted by Witchwoodhermit Witchwoodhermit wrote:

I think rock music has been basically repeating itself over and again for the past twenty years or more.
Not that there are not any good bands out there, just nothing particulary groundbreaking.


Pfft you're just closeminded I've recorded 2 albums with 2 different bands that are original, unique and something that has never really been done before. And that's just me some random bum with no musical talent, there are plenty of groundbreaking bands out there you just aren't too likely to hear them, early TMV to me was fairly new and exciting stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2007 at 00:30
To a small extent, yes, but in the big picture, no. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I think that the only room for true innovation left today is in genre fusing. Progressive Smooth Metal Swing Techno anyone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 22:31
I'll add my few cents.
 
Taal
SubMasq
Kayo Dot
Mike Patton
John Zorn
GY!BE
Severl Japanese Zheul bands
 
Bottom line is, there are bands that push the barrier, you just have to look for them.
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 22:11
Originally posted by glass house glass house wrote:

I like the good part of the bands mentioned here, but really, are they as groundbreaking as the ones who started prog?
 
Maybe they are in the Avant garde genre, not too familiar with that genre.
Most of those are at least somewhat avant-garde, but there's new stuff in every genre, I think. It's just that the people who are actively searching for things that sound new and different in many cases are drawn to the avant-garde and are speaking from what they know.
 
I personally think they are just as innovative because I think the original prog are overpraised for their innovation. I don't deny their creativity or that they made good music, but nothing is 100% new, and I think they were influenced by pre-prog music and each other just as much as new creative groups are influenced by existing music. The problem is, perhaps, that in the beginning the famous groups were almost all creative, and now many of the famous groups are famous because they evoke nostalgia for the past.
 
I also forgot Mr Bungle, Fantomas, Mogwai, and, if the '80s count as new, Art Zoyd. I'm sorry I can't give examples from other genres, but I'm really getting into avant at the moment because of its originality, so my knowledge of obscure other subgenres is lacking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 19:00
I'm sure that many would argue with me on some or all of the following bands, but I believe all of these bands are examples of true innovators in modern music. Note that these days a lot of the innovation is a matter of fusing disparate genres, which may be less groundbreaking than creating wholly original music, but is still innovative in my opinion:

Tool - created an innovative blend of metal and prog that is really not like anything that came before, in prog-metal or music in general
Opeth - fused extreme metal and soft, melodic, proggy music in a way that was never done before
The Mars Volta - often, they sound like both a punk band and a prog band, two genres previously thought to be polar opposites
Ayreon - with The Human Equation, innovated music by providing the first true rock opera masterpiece (note that I don't consider albums like Tommy and Quadrophenia to be true "rock operas", due to the lack of multiple singers and operatic vocals, both of which are present in Ayreon)
Radiohead - created innovative music (nothing before OK Computer and Kid A really sounded like those albums), and influenced an entire generation of musicians, as shown in the similarities between many modern bands and Radiohead



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 18:29
It's not that the original bands don't exist, it's that a lot of people actually don't want to listen to them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 17:36
There is a hell of a lot of groundbreaking music around these days. You just have to search it out a but more 'cos it ain't that popular.

Some of these abdns include:
Pelican!!!!! (saw them recently and they were AMAZING!)
65daysofstatic
Russian Circles
Do Make Say Think
A Silver Mt. Zion
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Hella
Lightning Bolt
I will leave it there for now but IMO the music these days is much more interesting than the golden oldies, E.g. Floyd, Yes etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 17:10
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

I am not religious but if you wish to thank God for all those great new bands, OK Wink


I mus admit I don't follow any religion as such, it was more an expression of secular joy, that there was still some (possible) progress in modern day (non-classical) music, that's allWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 17:04
I like the good part of the bands mentioned here, but really, are they as groundbreaking as the ones who started prog?
 
Maybe they are in the Avant garde genre, not too familiar with that genre.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:59
I am not religious but if you wish to thank God for all those great new bands, OK Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:55
cool! I never heard of most of these bands. I'll be sure to check them out. because of  contemporary prog I basically just Meshuggah. Spock's Beard (in the Morse-era quite derivative of the old symphonic/art prog) ans TFK (who i like a lot at the moment). that's why I asked. other than these it's mostly 70's prog KC, Yes, Genesis, GG, VDGG, Magma, FZ etc and a wide variety of other (unrelated) styles. Seems to me that progressive music isn't quite dying after all (thank god!!! and praise the lawd, hallelujah!! LOL)Big%20smile


Edited by unclemeat69 - April 20 2007 at 16:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:44
Sure there is. Get you a dose of ....

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
John Zorn
Godspeed You Black Emperor
Coil
Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:41
Yes. 65daysofstatic, Hella, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Kayo Dot, Alamaailman Vasarat, and Taal come to mind, and I have no doubt there are many others.
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