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StyLaZyn 
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
 Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:42 |
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OK...like a prog Linkin Park? Sounds decent to me. |
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Badabec
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:33 |
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That's awesome!  |
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Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela
E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:16 |
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well, nu metal was esentually metal + alternative + rap
nu prog is (according to the article) prog + alternative and i hope not + Rap
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:29 |
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Because neither Muse nor Radiohead sound anything like Limp Bizkuit or Linkin Park. 
I just think that calling all these bands "Nu" is ridiculous ... and calling them "New Prog" without any other connotations is ok, but essentially just saying that they're new bands making prog music, which doesn't tell you much about them. |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:22 |
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That was going back to Mike's post. |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:21 |
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^ Well some of the bands that are coming out may require a different name because they do not fit well into another category. How many Grunge Prog bands would we see in the future? Probably few, based one major element of Grunge is angst, and Fish-Marillion was the last of that, IMO. But other elements, a hard rock, yet not metal sound is evident is some of these newer quasi-Prog bands. They may in fact be part of the future and evolve into definitive Prog. I still think Nu Prog gives them a place to reside as they don't really fit anywhere else.
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Tony R
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:21 |
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Nu-Prog's a reasonable title. Just because you dont agree with the bands named doesnt mean its a bad idea.
NU-Prog....Muse,Radiohead et al...why the heck not?
This "over-classification" argument bugs me. Ok, it can get a bit anal at times but how do you describe or compare different types of Pop music without these classifications?
Comparing Genesis to Elvis shows why we need grand titles like Prog Rock.
Comparing Genesis to Dream Theater demonstrates the need for Prog Genres.
Comparing Genesis to Anglagard is why we need further classification.
These are titles you use or you dont. Every art form has these classifications and only if you think that popular music is not a reasonable topic for study should you be uncomfortable thinking about them.
Inverted Snobbery I think the term is...  Edited by Tony R - April 07 2007 at 09:21 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:11 |
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^ why not call something Grunge Prog if it's progressive and based on Grunge? Regardless of whether something like that exists or not, it would be better to use two established words to describe it than invent a new word, or abuse a combination of words which is either much more general or means something different.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:06 |
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I certainly hear Indie style. Of course anytime any new sounding rock that comes out I lean that way. Some of the music I have listened to sounds like it has Grunge roots, thus Nu Metal. We can't call it Grunge Prog. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:01 |
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It just doesn't add up. "New Prog" just means prog by a new generation of musicians ... there is no connection to Nu Metal nor is there any particular bias towards indie/alternative.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:58 |
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And it makes it worse how?  |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:56 |
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^ unfortunately none of these bands sound like or are influenced by Nu Metal, which makes it even worse.
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micky
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:53 |
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or what our governments tell us .....  |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:49 |
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I like the idea of calling it "Nu" Prog. To me it suggest the likes of Nu Metal. New Prog sounds to 90's to me. Like Modern Rock or Modern Prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:32 |
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Agreed ... it's the same as believing all you read in newspapers. |
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Angelo
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:28 |
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Two cents from the Netherlands:
That's a pretty bold statement - declaring this a 'term used to describe xxx', without stating who is actually using it.
That's a challenge for a PA member maybe.... I usually don't believe 100% of what is on Wikipedia - the community gets it right in quite a few cases, but things like this are just to sensitive to subjective reasoning. I mean, given the controversy about genres and subgenres on PA, who's willing to claim that a classification like this published on Wikipedia is objective and generally accepted? Reality is in the eye of the beholder.... |
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micky
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:26 |
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had to quote you..the arrows were driving me batty hahhaha I couldn't agree more. What we deal with here in PA's and with prog in general is opinions. We just had some 8 pages (or so) of discussion about what was best for the site. We are in the position to give because a) we care about the site, b) know enough about prog to make us dangerous, and c) have opinions and the fortitude to stand by them. Was your opinion/proposal wrong.. no... was mine.. no. It is ALL opinion. The same as whatever Wikipedia says... that said...I'd sure as hell consider what you thought more than something on some site like that. If people want to know about prog they come here... If people read something on the internet, especially a site like Wikipedia and believe it to be a fact... they get what they deserve I guess. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:13 |
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^ agreed. Wikipedia is great for presenting verifiable facts, but not opinions. That doesn't mean that genre descriptions or definitions on wikipedia pages generally suck ... but the opinions should be backed by sources, which is simply not possible for such a new genre. For example, you could claim that King Crimson is an Art Rock band when you find many sources (old and new magazines/reviews) which support that statement.
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micky
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:09 |
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that is why I have no use of it.. and have never referenced the damn thing... whatever useful correct info they MIGHT have.. can be found elsewhere without doubt of it's authenticity. I remember the kids here created a Velvet Room entry there.... I trust nothing there.. anyone who does.. is the fool you correctly pointed out. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:06 |
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What I mean is that the phrase "New Prog" is not used widely. But the wikipedia page makes it appear like it is ... and by the power of wikipedia and the fact that many people trust it blindly, the phrase might become real.
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