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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2007 at 12:41
Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Laurie Anderson. Heart (or rather Broken%20Heart)



Old suggestion. Nevertheless donn't accept.  That it is what much incredible.  Also because, to my warning, it is Prog!!! And, at any case, the Prog is also experimental music.  And it is not produced, perhaps, experimental music? 


sorry, I'm totally confused.

DON'T accept, because, to a warning!, it IS incredible, prog experimental-like and, it IS prog?! Wacko

can I get a mandrakerootian-English translation of that? Wink


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The way I see it is a proto artist made a contribution to what prog was to become. A related artist has some connection to prog (musically).
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2007 at 10:16
Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

David Bowie !



I'm highly motivated to see him included here...  the man defines in a way prog... not the narrow halfass definition some take of prog, meaning prog is side long epics with more time and tempo changes than you can shake a stick at... that is a product of what prog is about..and and another product of that..was David Bowie
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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

SHADOWS... Because it is true that is only a R' n' R band but I should say that for the period in which they flowerd they were able well to to be considered Prog.

Certain songs that produced (also cover) blend between them they show how much they were different from the other artists/ bands to them contemporaries. In fact you are they didn't produce nothing of different but had introduced the European musical culture.  Therefore they sought cover (or composed songs) that raise the Rock' n' Roll to musical cultured genre.  Seeking songs that isn't simple R'n'R (also because they played songs that hadn't R'n'R rhythmic). 

And, in truth, the first works of the Beatles so were not raised. In fact it was pure R'n'R!!!
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Laurie Anderson. Heart (or rather Broken%20Heart)



Old suggestion. Nevertheless donn't accept.  That it is what much incredible.  Also because, to my warning, it is Prog!!! And, at any case, the Prog is also experimental music.  And it is not produced, perhaps, experimental music? 
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SHADOWS... Because it is true that is only a R' n' R band but I should say that for the period in which they flowerd they were able well to to be considered Prog.

Certain songs that produced (also cover) blend between them they show how much they were different from the other artists/ bands to them contemporaries. In fact you are they didn't produce nothing of different but had introduced the European musical culture.  Therefore they sought cover (or composed songs) that raise the Rock' n' Roll to musical cultured genre.  Seeking songs that isn't simple R'n'R (also because they played songs that hadn't R'n'R rhythmic). 

And, in truth, the first works of the Beatles so were not raised. In fact it was pure R'n'R!!!


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Originally posted by Kid-A Kid-A wrote:

The Who, because if Led Zeppelin are, the Who definitely are.



to follow up on Raff's post.... this is one of the few cases where the 'if x then y makes sense'  when deciding degrees of progness. Oh well...

for the record... the Who have been suggested for inclusion in the collab area. When or if PR additions ever become priority for the site,  I'm sure the Who will be considered and eventually included in the site... it truly is a no brainer. They have case enough to be considered for full on entry as a prog (or proto) group, much less as PR entry.
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Originally posted by Frasse Frasse wrote:

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge btw?


Yes, it should... Now that I'm back in my full capacity as Admin, this thread has already been moved to the PP/PR Lounge.

However, I see a bit too much of the old "If X is here, why not W" spiel in this thread. As much as it is almost inevitable in some cases (namely, Led Zep and The Who), I still don't think it is the best way to go about suggestions for new additions. Moreover, the 'prog-relatedness' of a band or artist seems to be a very subjective thing, and this is an aspect that should always be remembered in such discussions.

As to my personal candidates for PR, the first band that comes to my mind (and not only because they're among my all-time favourites) are the mighty Blue Oyster Cult, who can number quite a few proggy tracks in their extensive output (not to mention their very left-field lyrical bent and distinctive cover art).
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Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

The Who because they invented rock opera AND cause Pete was goofin' around with symphonic synths in '73.

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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:55

This shouldn't be a confusing category for you.  It's a really big grab bag, a big tent.  A few that get put here should be moved to other categories.  Many that need to be added like Laurie Anderson, David Bowie, Bruce Hampton, Pere Ubu, Joe Jackson, NIN, Tori Amos, Talking Heads, I know I'm leaving out many more.
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Thread goes insane. "If X are,then Y is definetely..."

Guys, the bands you like are not always the PROG bands - even if they use some elements of the genre! I bloody like BLACK SABBATH, METALLICA and MY DYING BRIDE, but I won't try to add them here (despite the fact that they DO have SOME proggy elements in their music). WHAT FOR? To say on submitting:"Now I can say I listen ONLY to Prog bands"? Or submit it and then walk away without reviewing?

Prog-related is VERY, very thin ice. When you try hard, you can find some progginess even in LINKIN PARK!!! Each one has its own Prog border, and personally I wouldn't include here DEEP PURPLE, LED ZEPPELIN, ROXY MUSIC and loads of others, including all that power-prog and AOR stuff.

I think we should concentrate on finding contemporary LESSER KNOWN prog bands (can you name 10 Russian or Latin America Prog bands RIGHT NOW, without looking at Archives database?) and give them more opportunity to become BETTER KNOWN. Instead of it we argue on how much Prog were BEATLES and why THE WHO aren't there. Because they're NOT prog, and that's it! Stop suggesting well-known bands, we already know and love them even if they're not Prog!

   
 
 
You are right. The idea of this thread came by discovering the "prog related " section and saying "what the hell is that?". I think that if already exists... then we try to put all the most important bands with "prog elements". I´ve said i´m confused with this category because I don´t really understand why there is such a thing, but now there is... let´s put all the bands that really belong there. Listen "only to bands listed in ProgArchives" is definitly not the idea.
The "related" implies a relationship. I would agree better with the prog related section including only solo projects by prog bands members or super -non prog- groups like Asia... that would be a correct "relation" if you ask me.
 
By the way... make it just for fun.
 
 
(the 10 latin america prog bands are not so hard for me because I live in Latin America... but don´t ask me for the russians!)
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Points: 4986 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:24
Read a few mentions of Budgie here. Yesterday I played most of their vinyls again. Love that band, however they have nothing to do with prog or proto or related at all!! It's just your basic hard rock with a good swing.
 
By the way, they have a new one out called, You're all living in Cuckooland.
 
 


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first exclude Queen from prog related and put them under Art Rock and then deal with other bands...
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Points: 160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:11
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The Beach Boys for Proto Prog if not ProgRelated, because Brian Wilson was the first progressive rock`n roll composer and the Smiley Smile album speaks for itself.
 
 
That´s what i´m talking about. The Beach Boys : One of the first prog bands.
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Thread goes insane. "If X are,then Y is definetely..."

Guys, the bands you like are not always the PROG bands - even if they use some elements of the genre! I bloody like BLACK SABBATH, METALLICA and MY DYING BRIDE, but I won't try to add them here (despite the fact that they DO have SOME proggy elements in their music). WHAT FOR? To say on submitting:"Now I can say I listen ONLY to Prog bands"? Or submit it and then walk away without reviewing?

Prog-related is VERY, very thin ice. When you try hard, you can find some progginess even in LINKIN PARK!!! Each one has its own Prog border, and personally I wouldn't include here DEEP PURPLE, LED ZEPPELIN, ROXY MUSIC and loads of others, including all that power-prog and AOR stuff.

I think we should concentrate on finding contemporary LESSER KNOWN prog bands (can you name 10 Russian or Latin America Prog bands RIGHT NOW, without looking at Archives database?) and give them more opportunity to become BETTER KNOWN. Instead of it we argue on how much Prog were BEATLES and why THE WHO aren't there. Because they're NOT prog, and that's it! Stop suggesting well-known bands, we already know and love them even if they're not Prog!

   

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Originally posted by The Rock The Rock wrote:

BLOODROCK!!!!

 
The only thing I have ever read about Bloodrock was an article in Classic Rock, describing them as proto-metal.
I've heard Stilled By Wirhlwind Tounges and it somehow reminds me of Tull.
Then, everything with a flute reminds me of Tull...
 
Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge btw?


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The Who, because if Led Zeppelin are, the Who definitely are. And they made concept albums which seems to go with prog.
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