Prog Related bands
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Topic: Prog Related bands
Posted By: moebius
Subject: Prog Related bands
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:06
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I´m confused about this category...
Reading the definition of prog related makes me think what happens with the millions of bands with "prog elements" that are not really progressive rock.
I find Faith No More very progressive for example, but I guess that there are not enough prog elements or something.
What bands do you think that deserve a place in this "subgenre of progressive music" and are not listed in PA ? Why? |
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:11
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You mean like Boston or Dio? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: aspinosa
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:22
| The Who |
Posted By: moebius
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:34
| Remember the "WHY?" part. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:39
| The Beach Boys for Proto Prog if not ProgRelated, because Brian Wilson was the first progressive rock`n roll composer and the Smiley Smile album speaks for itself. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:40
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The Who because they invented rock opera AND cause Pete was goofin' around with symphonic synths in '73. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:42
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GOLDEN EARRING!!! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:44
Laurie Anderson.  (or rather  )
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:56
I think the best "rule of thumb" would be to think about whether the band is important or relevant in the context of prog. If that's true + they made an album which contains many prog elements in most of the tracks (and not just a small percentage), then they are prog related. At least that's how I see it ... 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 03:59
 are for assholes.------------- sig |
Ricochet wrote:Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:00
Do you even know what I mean?   -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:07
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the question is: Do you what he means?
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:10
Well, I do know what *I* mean.  ------------- sig |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:13
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I don't think Rico gets it.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:57
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 05:10
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Golden Earring
Joe Satriani
Edenbridge
David Bowie
Budgie
Already been explained why over and over again...
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 05:33
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Mansun - so called 'indie band' but they had some influence on Steven Wilson I reckon. They did a concept album called Six as well as 2 other studio releases.Recently a triple CD set was put out Kleptomania including the previously unreleased 4th album and various demos/rarities. Very talented band with a strong Beatles influence.They broke far enough away from Nineties 'Brit Pop' to be a highly regarded 'cult band' and in progarchives terms merit inclusion under prog related IMHO. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 05:44
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BLOODROCK!!!! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: dAJaro
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 06:08
take my advice: you should sheik yerbouti! that will help you to better understand. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/dAJaro/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 06:29
The beat goes on and I'm so wrong ... 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 06:59
I was about to suggest The Who. Obvious really. I've been hooked on 'Who's Next' for some time now, and it definitely has prog credentials. Tommy and Quadrophenia confirm their 'prog related' status. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:11
| I would like to see Mew and The Fall of Troy in Prog Related. Perhaps Budgie aswell, but I need to hear more by them before deciding. |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:12
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The Beach Boys
The Who
Demon (much more prog than Iron Maiden!!!)
Crosby, stills nash & young (NOT CS&N or solo albums)
CCCP (Italian punk band)
Tim Buckley (1969-1972 period)
Jeff Buckley
Jane's addiction
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:22
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The Who, because if Led Zeppelin are, the Who definitely are. And they made concept albums which seems to go with prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:33
The only thing I have ever read about Bloodrock was an article in Classic Rock, describing them as proto-metal.
I've heard Stilled By Wirhlwind Tounges and it somehow reminds me of Tull.
Then, everything with a flute reminds me of Tull...
Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge btw?
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 08:54
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Thread goes insane. "If X are,then Y is definetely..."
Guys, the bands you like are not always the PROG bands - even if they use some elements of the genre! I bloody like BLACK SABBATH, METALLICA and MY DYING BRIDE, but I won't try to add them here (despite the fact that they DO have SOME proggy elements in their music). WHAT FOR? To say on submitting:"Now I can say I listen ONLY to Prog bands"? Or submit it and then walk away without reviewing? Prog-related is VERY, very thin ice. When you try hard, you can find some progginess even in LINKIN PARK!!! Each one has its own Prog border, and personally I wouldn't include here DEEP PURPLE, LED ZEPPELIN, ROXY MUSIC and loads of others, including all that power-prog and AOR stuff. I think we should concentrate on finding contemporary LESSER KNOWN prog bands (can you name 10 Russian or Latin America Prog bands RIGHT NOW, without looking at Archives database?) and give them more opportunity to become BETTER KNOWN. Instead of it we argue on how much Prog were BEATLES and why THE WHO aren't there. Because they're NOT prog, and that's it! Stop suggesting well-known bands, we already know and love them even if they're not Prog! 
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Posted By: moebius
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:11
That´s what i´m talking about. The Beach Boys : One of the first prog bands.
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:14
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first exclude Queen from prog related and put them under Art Rock and then deal with other bands... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:24
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Read a few mentions of Budgie here. Yesterday I played most of their vinyls again. Love that band, however they have nothing to do with prog or proto or related at all!! It's just your basic hard rock with a good swing.
By the way, they have a new one out called, You're all living in Cuckooland.
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Posted By: moebius
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:41
You are right. The idea of this thread came by discovering the "prog related " section and saying "what the hell is that?". I think that if already exists... then we try to put all the most important bands with "prog elements". I´ve said i´m confused with this category because I don´t really understand why there is such a thing, but now there is... let´s put all the bands that really belong there. Listen "only to bands listed in ProgArchives" is definitly not the idea.
The "related" implies a relationship. I would agree better with the prog related section including only solo projects by prog bands members or super -non prog- groups like Asia... that would be a correct "relation" if you ask me.
By the way... make it just for fun.
(the 10 latin america prog bands are not so hard for me because I live in Latin America... but don´t ask me for the russians!)
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 10:55
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This shouldn't be a confusing category for you. It's a really big grab bag, a big tent. A few that get put here should be moved to other categories. Many that need to be added like Laurie Anderson, David Bowie, Bruce Hampton, Pere Ubu, Joe Jackson, NIN, Tori Amos, Talking Heads, I know I'm leaving out many more. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:40
Some say S F Sorrow from the Pretty Things. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 06:15
Yes, it should... Now that I'm back in my full capacity as Admin, this thread has already been moved to the PP/PR Lounge. However, I see a bit too much of the old "If X is here, why not W" spiel in this thread. As much as it is almost inevitable in some cases (namely, Led Zep and The Who), I still don't think it is the best way to go about suggestions for new additions. Moreover, the 'prog-relatedness' of a band or artist seems to be a very subjective thing, and this is an aspect that should always be remembered in such discussions. As to my personal candidates for PR, the first band that comes to my mind (and not only because they're among my all-time favourites) are the mighty Blue Oyster Cult, who can number quite a few proggy tracks in their extensive output (not to mention their very left-field lyrical bent and distinctive cover art). |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 06:35
to follow up on Raff's post.... this is one of the few cases where the 'if x then y makes sense' when deciding degrees of progness. Oh well... for the record... the Who have been suggested for inclusion in the collab area. When or if PR additions ever become priority for the site, I'm sure the Who will be considered and eventually included in the site... it truly is a no brainer. They have case enough to be considered for full on entry as a prog (or proto) group, much less as PR entry. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 06:55
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SHADOWS... Because it is true that is only a R' n' R band but I should say that for the period in which they flowerd they were able well to to be considered Prog. Certain songs that produced (also cover) blend between them they show how much they were different from the other artists/ bands to them contemporaries. In fact you are they didn't produce nothing of different but had introduced the European musical culture. Therefore they sought cover (or composed songs) that raise the Rock' n' Roll to musical cultured genre. Seeking songs that isn't simple R'n'R (also because they played songs that hadn't R'n'R rhythmic). And, in truth, the first works of the Beatles so were not raised. In fact it was pure R'n'R!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 07:00
Old suggestion. Nevertheless donn't accept. That it is what much incredible. Also because, to my warning, it is Prog!!! And, at any case, the Prog is also experimental music. And it is not produced, perhaps, experimental music? -------------
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 09:30
Do you mean The Shadows as in "Cliff Richard and the..."?
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 10:10
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David Bowie ! ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 10:16
I'm highly motivated to see him included here... the man defines in a way prog... not the narrow halfass definition some take of prog, meaning prog is side long epics with more time and tempo changes than you can shake a stick at... that is a product of what prog is about..and and another product of that..was David Bowie ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 11:59
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The way I see it is a proto artist made a contribution to what prog was to become. A related artist has some connection to prog (musically). ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 12:36
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Everything is Prog Related....even Paris Hilton ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 12:41
sorry, I'm totally confused. DON'T accept, because, to a warning!, it IS incredible, prog experimental-like and, it IS prog?! can I get a mandrakerootian-English translation of that? -------------
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:07
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Lyle Mays
kit watkins
patrick o'hearn
mark isham
suzanne ciani
garfield
heads in the sky
sanford ponder
david helpling
jane siberry
yanni
checkfield
mannheim steamroller
etc... ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:10
Garfield ... knowing the cat didn't put out any music, I assume you are a Canadian, with good taste, needles to say. "I've seen all your old time movies, & I know how they're all gonna end ...."  |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:11
I believe that this statement is more likely to be true if re-worded thusly - Paris Hilton has had relations with everything gorP ... |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:33
In truth I have only an Italian compilation that is very interesting. Nevertheless memory of to have read an article that checked their in an encyclopedia of the Rock (an of the a lot of the beginnings of 90's with MC, LP or CD cited that every week my brother bought and that it the true Prog make discover me). Naturally I do not claim a their inclusion. However I established only what according to myself it is a truth. Understanding that, likely, a lot they will laugh reading how much wrote. Uhm... You excuse if I profit of this space but... In PA is lacking Manfred Mann (60's production) that, to my warning, it was more Prog than with the Manfred Mann's Earth Band!!! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:39
Ehm... I had written a thread and I have been answered that... She isn't Prog because Experimental Music does not mean Prog. For me it means Prog... Or better Prog Related. -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:43
This Paris Hilton:  Or this Hilton Hotel:  This is the Problem!!! -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 13:54
Well I do want her for Prog-Related, for the Pop-Prog obscure generousity that we can find in ourselves, for an Experimentalism in word play, vocal art or plain music sketch that isn't THE ESSENCE OF PROG, but can nonetheless be PROGressive...and for the fact that she looks like a complete artist, rarely fooling around with music of a subtle sunken kind. really, I have a feeling that, by when I return and end with my work outside the forum, I'll forward a nice and adequate portofolio of this artist, towards the "Prog Related Team", as to sense her eligible point of a progressiveness in a hint of nothing fancy, everything modish and artish. -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 15:54
 I still don't like the category (not that I think it really IS a valid "category").
It seems to be a bit of a catch-all, almost a ghetto, and it seems to be largely about popularity, and favouring certain types of music over others.
If it means "other bands prog fans (which type of prog fans?) might like, then just about anything can be included.
If it means "artists at the cutting edges of their respective genres," then where are all of those artists who are broadening the boundaries of genres like reggae, jazz, country, folk, rap, etc?
(Where are Wilco? Sting? Lounge Lizards? etc. etc!)
If it means "sounds sort of like prog, at times," then what sort of prog does it sound like? To my ears, almost all classic rock shares significant elements with classic prog, and perhaps all metal shares elements with prog metal (or is that vice-versa?)
I see it as a contentious can of worms, that would have been better left unopened, or at least limited to a mere (expanding) list, without full artist inclusion (thus no reviews).
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:02
And yes... I speak of The Shadows, back band of Cliff Richard!!! -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:07
^^ of course it's not a category. It's a collection of bands which have been deemed worthy to be included here ... for various reasons. "bands prog fans might like", "at cutting edge of their genre", "sounds like prog" ... those are some of the criteria. But they're highly subjective, and so are the decisions about which bands get added as prog related and which ones get rejected. And that's ok ... with criteria as "fuzzy" as that, I think it's best to hear as many opinions as possible and then simply make a decision ... it will always seem unfair to many people. You can't please everyone ...  I think the most important thing to realise is this: "Prog Related" is not a priority ... it is a nice "gimmick" which has been introduced mainly because it brings more visitors to this website (ironically I don't think that this website would have made it to #1 website on Google for "progressive rock" if not for the extra popularity gained for listing bands like Queen or Deep Purple). My suggestion: You don't like Prog Related? Ignore it. You don't like Prog Metal? Ignore it. You don't like Krautrock? Ignore it. Focus on the things you *like* and have a good time! Just my opinion, as always.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:11
I don't think he or anyone needs to ignore anything. Discussion is what forums are about, and discussing the pros and cons of Prog Related is part of that.
Just my opinion, as always. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:15
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^ of course many of us come here for arguments ... I *love* a good argument. I just think that nobody should take any of this so seriously that it distracts them from the music they enjoy ... that's what I meant with "ignore it".
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:19
Well Michael...I can't speak for Peter, but I'm pretty sure that any discussion here or difference of opinion does not affect his enjoyment of the music that he likes.
Whew! Long sentence!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:24
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^ I hope so! BTW Peter: Today I listened to Nektar - Recycled again ... great album! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:25
Good idea..I will play it later!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 17:51
Yes, it is quite good, Mike, and timlier now than ever, no?  BTW, all, just for the record, re my use of Recycled as an avatar: it's not my "favourite" album or anything (I don't have one, but many), nor are Nektar my "favourite" prog band (ditto). I really like the album, really like the far-out artwork, and I wanted a bright avatar that stands out from the pack, even at a glance. ********************************************************************************************* Re the larger topic at hand, I agree with pretty much all that you wrote, above. We are free to seek or pay attention to what we like here, and ignore the rest. There's something for everyone! I don't lose any sleep over the PR category or its various contentious inclusions, but it does seem to bring down more than its share of wrath and misunderstanding upon the forum. Numerous front-page reviews of PR bands like Zeppelin, Purple, etc, can also give the wrong impression of the site, to the casual or first-time observer. I just wonder if this "gimmick," this "lure for the unwary," was really worth all the negativity that gathers around it, in the end.  But that's not for me to decide (whew!), and as you (and Aesop) said, you'll never please everyone, all of the time, so it's honestly no big deal to me. I just enjoy a good, meaty discussion/argument about the nature of art every now and then, and this topic rates. It's certainly a darned-sight more interesting than "What Song Are You listening to Now/ What about now? NOW? How About... NOW?" (Gawd, the continued popularity of such lists from strangers, without any illuminating commentary at all, astounds me!) I'd rather talk about taking a pee -- wait... I did!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 17:54
Okay, me too -- let's try to synchronize our stereos (who knows what cosmic karma we may generate for the ailing earth): Ready? Set? Go!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 19:15
sure! she progresses from porno tapes to pop singing. (dont say: "that's not the meaning for progressive") ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 19:17
That's not even Paris Hilton.
It's just a Paris Hilton look-a-like contest winner.
Dont bother asking how I know  ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 19:20
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^^Because you stayed that hotel? What is it really? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 14:28
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At any case Paris Hilton doesn't please me. I prefer: 
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