Dissection of animals

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 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

There's a big difference between animals and people. No amount of time will change that. Saying 100 years ago, blacks didn't have the same rights as whites is completely different. There lies a distinction in that blacks and whites are not different. However, frogs and humans are very different. Are you a vegetarian Ivan? 

In first place, I'm not comparing humans with animals, I'm just pointing that human values evolve with time, there are ONG's and Governments (Including USA) investing billions in preserving species,m do you want Frogs to be almost exttinnct and flies invading your homes (Frogs eat flies, just in case you didn't knew) to invest millions in preserving the ecological chain?

BTW; The vegetarian issue is absolutely ridiculous, I'm talking about KILLING WITHOUT PURPOSE, feeding is a valid purpose, the consequences of creating a 100% vegetarian society would be catastrophic as one of the Baldies pointed very clearly on another thread.

 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Where did you get your numbers? The US literacy rate  99% from the CIA world factbook (Could have swore it was 99.7% though). 100% of US students have not dissected an animal, I can speak from personal experience. 4 people in my high school's bio class chose not to dissect. Also, what does caring where Bolivia is have to do with anything? I would love to see that poll. I personally don't care where Bolivia is (although I know) and I think a rudimentary knowledge of anatomy is far more important than knowing where Bolivia is. Hands on experience with an important scientific foundation vs. knowing where to put an inconsequential country with an GDP of 8 billion on a map. I think the dissection wins.

Seems you have troubles if you believe CIA, they were the ones who talked about the Weapoms of Massive Destruction. 

My numbers as usual are supported

 The Illiterate Digest has always saltued Illiteracy and now has compiled a list of the most illiterate cities in the United States. We're doing much better than our European brethren, since 23 million American adults are functionally illiterate and 13% of all American 17-years-olds are functionally illiterate. http://www.ahalenia.com/id/id11/illiterati.html  

Seems I stayed short,.the numbers are even scarier.

Not only 13% of the 17 years old kids are functionally illiterate but also 7.63% of the total USA popuilation is also functionally illiterate, this means THEY CAN'T WRITE OR READ.

If you doubt of just one source:

 Neglecting students’ literacy has serious economic consequences for individuals and states. Today, almost 40 percent of high school graduates lack the reading and writing skills that employers seek, and almost a third of high school graduates who enroll in college require remediation. Deficits in basic skills cost the nation’s businesses, universities, and under-prepared high school graduates as much as $16 billion annually in lost productivity and remedial costs.”⁶ 

Only 31 percent of eighth graders and 34 percent of twelfth graders meet the National Assessment of Educational Progress standard of reading “proficiency” for their grade level. (National Assessment of Educational Progress, 2002) http://www.carnegie.org/literacy/why.html

Again I stayed short:

1.- Almost 40 percent of high school graduates lack the reading and writing skills that employers seek, (They will know how to open a frog but won't be able to get a job)

2.- Almost a third of high school graduates who enroll in college require remediation. (The exact 33.33% I mentioned previously reached university but have to take basic reading....How did they reached College withoiut being proficiebt in reading?.....God knows)

3.- Only 31 percent of eighth graders and 34 percent of twelfth graders meet the National Assessment of Educational Progress standard of reading “proficiency" (Again, I stayed short, less than 1/3 of USA students reach the average skills required for their age)

If still you don't trust in that data, read this:

 National Association of State Boards of Education 
According to the NGA report, Reading to Achieve: A Governor’s Guide to Adolescent Literacy, ”today, almost 40 percent of high school graduates lack the reading and writing skills that employers seek, and almost a third of high school graduates who enroll in college require remediation. Deficits in basic skills cost the nation’s businesses, universities, and underprepared high school graduates as much as $16 billion annually in lost productivity and remedial costs." The report suggests governors pursue five strategies to improve adolescent literacy achievement: http://www.nacctep.org/PolicyBriefs/V2_2005/vol2i9/index.htm

You want more data?

 The second report, Reading at Risk: The State Response to the Crisis in Adolescent Literacy, suggests that that approximately 70 percent of adolescents struggle to read. 
http://www.nacctep.org/PolicyBriefs/V2_2005/vol2i9/index.htm

7 out of each 10 adolescents have problems reading...Scary?

But according to other sources is even scarier:

 Only one-third of high school students take a high school curriculum that prepares them ... almost 50% of those that do enroll in college need remediation; ...
www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ovae/pafblueprint.doc 

5 out of 10 students who reach Coillege require remediation...wow....but they know hoiw to skin  a ca, maybe they can get a job as taxidermists. 

You want even more:

 Of those who enter high school, only about 70 percent will graduate--—one of the lowest rates among industrialized nations (Greene & Winters, 2006). As important, however, is the fact that, of those who do receive a diploma, only half are academically prepared for postsecondary education (Greene & Winters, 2005).

Wonderful only 7 out of 10 students will graduate from High School and only 3.5 are ready for postsecondary Education (This includes not only universities but also technical education), Do you still believe in CIA factbook?

I'm sure you don't care where Bolivia is, except if your country have to bomb them.  But probably you should know where one of the countries that provide USA with more cooper and silver is located, but of course we're only Bananna Republic, so Who cares?

Incredible arrogance as an excuse for ignorance and lack of sensibility, you value a country and human beings in base of the Gross Domestic Product, KKK members would be proud of you (Probnably those who are illiterate and base human life according to race and ethnic origin while they spit water melon seeds)..

Last but not least, your 4 fellow students who probably got a big red F are not statistically significant, even if they refused, the subject is mandatory, so it's correct to say that all students except those with moral principles who probably failled, have dissected some animal with no purpose. 

 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

If we give animals rights, I see no reason to not ban soup and disinfectants. They're killing helpless creatures. Humans are such bullies.

Well, will answer this even when I believe it should be logic. (BTW I guess you're talking about soap, because soup doesn't kill germs in your body unless you want to boil yourself in a kettle with chicken, potatoes and vegetables  but I doubt the FDA will approve this method).

The germs don't have central nervous system so there's no pain, no suffering, no intelligence, but that's secondary.....And I didn't required of disecting germs to learn that, a book was enough, but well, I didn't required remediation. 

BTW II: Soup is a great idea for frogs,. they say they taste like chicken and at least then we will have a purpose for killing them. 

Germs are plagues dangerous for human life, if you have to choose between ANY animal and a human being you have always to choose the human being, that's kindergarten logic, it's more evident in the case of a plague or a germ.

You have to kill locusts to save the harvest, because human life and basic needs are first, but it's required a litlle bit of logic to get it.

 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

And why did this thread turn into a let's bash how stupid US citizens are thread?

I clearly said: If this happens in USA, I can't imagine what happens in the third world (From which I'm part), but seems you didn't read my previous posts because I'm sure you don't need remediation. 

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 27 2007 at 12:29

Poll Question: Do you agree with the "farming" of animals for dissection?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Yes	11	[37.93%]
No.	18	[62.07%]
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